Gen General Discussion Thread: Theory Fighter!

no way, he doesn’t need to buy SF4!
http://marketplace.xbox.com/it-IT/Product/Pacchetto-Classic/00000000-0000-400c-80cf-0005434307e1 this is it

I apologize for the misinformation

So, considering switching to Gen at the moment. He has by far my favourite character design but I’ve always been put off by his reputation as…bad.

Basically, how viable is this dude in 2012 AE? Am I going to be getting bodied by shotos online all day or is he just a bit more difficult to master than say, Cammy?

Yes u are

Erase that “a bit” there :stuck_out_tongue:
As far as raw power goes, he’s fine. You just have to have patience because he’s difficult.

You won’t get bodied by Shotos. If anything Ryu is a matchup I enjoy, I always feel in control.

Cammy isn’t in the same league as Gen in terms of difficulty. You will go a lot further with a lot less effort with Cammy. Seriously. Gen is easily viable. He is IMO at least the middle of the table, not a bad character by any means. It’s just…Why pick Gen over Cammy?

Playstyle and look/feel matter a lot. Like, I for some reason can’t stand Cammy’s jump, no idea why.

this. i can’t stand the Cammy matchup in general.

So I managed to get top 32 at the first anniversary tourney, which to its credit had about 400+ entrants. To be semi-fraudulent, I did play a few matches as Yun and Bison (sorry =( ). I played kokobananaman’s Hakan (who got one of the best Hakan’s in the US) and I knew Bison is such a good matchup against Hakan. But man, I feel like I could go further with Gen if I started using some of his, let’s be honest, gimmicks. I never do crossup oga’s and junk, I just prefer to do safejump setups and shit. But I know a lot of people can’t block em.

One setup that has been working real well for me, is if you land an Oga of some sort, so a mantis st.mp cancelled to crane, jump over them and press 3p to switch mantis/make them think they gotta block the crossup then do empty low into combo. Works almost everytime for me… whenever I land that oga

congrats.

i dont really use cross up ogas and stuff either. most of that stuff only works the first time someone sees it. then the success rate takes a huge dip. you can start mixing in different ogas, but then it devolves into a 50/50 without any great follow ups if they block correctly

when i land front throw i almost always go into dash forward, whiff normal, and mix up jump ins from there. you dont get ultra on hit, but you can still 50/50 left/right depending on mantis or crane, or you can whiff a faster normal and go empty into low. on top of all that, if they block correctly you still can keep pressure, and the mix up isnt mid screen dependant. it has a better pay out IMO

i’ll save the oga stuff, and the cross up ultras for if i ever make it to grand finals of anything

Yeah, even within my community people know all about the crossup oga. To be fair, they all have Gen exposure now since i play them with gen but a lot of people still don’t, which is why i feel like I could at least get a little edge at. It’s like playing Yun, I mean to be fair he’s very solid in general but tons of shit to fuck with people who aren’t very familiar, like anti-air normals into crossup shoulders, cl.mk corner dive kick mixups, etc. It’s not the basis of his play but it certainly helps get you damage here and there which helps seal the deal.

same here. everything i use now is solid

i think youre right. you would probrablly get 1 or 2 more tourney wins running the BS, but i dont think of it as a long term strategy

it may just be me, but i try to build a game plan around long term success. i dont want to just sneak by a guy one time in a tourney. i want to be able to sit down and play a good player 50 games and still be able to have my game play hold up

Gen is up for discussion in the tier list thread. Gen Education Dept. gogogo?

So I think I asked about this before but any AE PC Gen players? I had been down on any online play for a long while cause 90% of matches on there are garbage. I went from like 4000 pp with bison to 2000 with Gen cause playing Gen with lag is like playing him drunk, not conducive at all.

That being said, i was REALLY bored last night and decided to see how it goes. The first matches were garbage like usual but I found someone with a good connection and we actually had some really good extended sets, hardly any lag at all. So I figure it must not be fundamentally shit, just most people on there have garbage 4g internet or something.

I’ll upload some videos soon but if you’re on PC, holla at ya boy.

I stumbled onto some Gen from Norway this evening. Much more highly ranked than me (though still of the gimmickry school it seemed). Sadly my inputs were a mess so I couldn’t make it something resembling a match : /

Is there a list of all the non-oga unblockables? Right now I only know of the one vs. Guy in the corner.

I know ugo2u has a lot on his youtube channel ryuapprentice (at least i think these two people are the same??)

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So, I know for a fact that stance change does not cost frames to do between links, otherwise we wouldnt have some of our combos. However, I noticed something odd today, Gens st.hk and cr.hk in crane both activate in 5 frames, anyone consider some odd stance change links like (m)st.mp>©st.hk?

Gen’s crane st.HK is -2 on hit, the 1st hit whiffs on crouchers and the 2nd hit whiffs too much unless you’re in point blank range (and then whiffs on some characters in point blank range). TBH I do not see an advantage at all, unless the opponent is totally blocking everything after every single hit.

Yeah, one and the same. lol!

the one vs guy also works on ibuki, also HK gekiro in the corner, back dash forward dash jump medium kick (mantis) works too on guy and ibuki
Seth: Forward throw, dash cMK (mantis) jump medium kick
Yun & Yang: forward throw (midscreen) LP roll crane jump medium kick
Juri: Forward throw walk forward jump mantis medium kick
Vega, Gief, Viper, Rufus: Backthrow (midscreen) walk back jump mantis med kick
Deejay: forward throw (midscreen) crane dash forward cMP, wait a bit, jump crane medium kick

Still working on unblockable theories