and yet somehow not only do I beat you but I beat you by massive margins.
It blows my mind that someone can actually sit there and go on about being the better player while being only 1/2 decent with one character (you guard crush with Terry really well) and not even winning more than he loses with that very character. I could beat you with 3/4 of the entire roster without much trouble online or offline. Hell I’d even make it worth your while. I’ll play you in a race to 10 for $20 at Shoppers World.
Seriously though, I may not be able to make this sadly, it seems that my baby shower is on the same day, and I don’t know what time I’ll get home for it. If I get back in time, then I’ll play.
Id love to come to T7, but I really dont have that much experience playing on arcades, hence I would probably get eaten alive. Ill more than likely come to the next one since I plan on getting a stick soon, then you can definatly count me in. :tup:
Im in Orillia btw, so about an hour north of the GTA.
Just a few questions I had on mind - if a match DC’s mid-way through, is the match restarted or does the lagger automatically lose? Also, will there be a judge in-game to watch and such? I’m a bit new to this online tournament scene stuff has one could see.
I feel good about it though, I can’t wait. There’s never enough players playing Garou:MOTW online I think, or Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 for that matter…which would make for an awesome game to have a tournament for someday.
I better get my fighting music groove play list ready. :lovin:
Massive margins? YOu clearly forgot our last games we had. And it was clearly obvious that my character was standing there for some of those matches…but I bet you didn’t notice that. Not to mention alot of my obvious combo misses due to the “TOP IN” that would have ended most matches.
You still don’t realize that I don’t even play that game…and I just explained to you why you don’t have much of a clue about the game, yet you talk about your lag tactic wins and random gameplay as if you’re proud or something. Why don’t you atleast learn from your mistakes for once? It’s even worse when I clearly point out the obvious logic flaws in your game, and you sit there saying “well…but I beat you a few matches”, totally ignoring the fact that your gameplay is illogical. There isn’t even any point in fighting a random-ass that seems to use the throw of a dice to determine his next move, because playing seriously against that will result in me having to turtle in the corner waiting for you to do something stupid. I’d rather spend some time learning from a player who plays with some intelligence (like lux or nocturnal).
If you still don’t understand why you’re a beginner (even though you keep talking about being one of the best in Canada, what the hell), I’ll point it out now:
You repeatedly do risky moves (anti-airs, supers), even after being punished by a 60% combo
You do not know how to use feints or breaks
You try too hard to predict when the opponent will jump, by doing an early jumpin acrsos the screen. It looks retarded when you jump across the screen attempting to intersept me, when I didn’t even leave the ground. This also leaves you wide open as you come down, for a combo, but due to the input delay, you usually get away with that by throwing me (so if you take this into account, you would have lost every match since you whiff jumpins all the time)
You spam fireballs testing someone’s JD skills in lag…and even after me JDing 2-3 in a row, you still keep throwing them, hoping that the lag eventually gets me
You don’t use any combos at all (not important in terms of gameplay skills though)
And also, the only characters you “know” how to use are Rock, Hotaru and Hokutamaru…and the latter two own online but are low tier offline. I wonder why…and who uses Hokutarmaru’s super punishable teleport overhead offline? I’m sure I know why you use it online…because it will probably hit due to the input delay. And even when I blocked and punished it with a Terry feint combo you…kept doing it? Wtf…
The only good thing you have going for you is tick throws. But really, it’s too hard fighting a player that keeps repeating the same mistakes, since it forces me to just turtle waiting for something dumb. And mind you, I play Garou as much as youplay kof2k2…and I’m sure you remember what happened when you fought me in kof. It was a massacre.
You need to get something straight. You maxed out around 4 wins with your Terry in the very early going of our set on Sunday. By the same token, I had multiple streaks of 4 or more over you. I didn’t forget anything, in fact I have a very good memory. I’m not sure what you “standing there” has to do with anything. If you had to AFK, you could have just said something. As for TOP IN, you’re the first person I’ve come across that actually complains that it hampers their exectution.
I put just as much merit into my online games as I would offline. If you’re going to use “lag tactics” as your scrubby trump card every time you lose then you shouldn’t be playing online to begin with. There are aspects of the online game that change the mechanics of the engine. Good players adapt. Shitty players bitch. Just because you like the way Lux plays, and hate the way I play doesn’t change the fact that you lose to both of us. As for you pointing out flaws in my game, get a fucking clue. How much of a flaw is it when you lose to it. How much of a flaw is it when 9/10 of the players on Kaillera fall for it. You think I use that kind of stuff against the better players out there? I had a fantastic set with Kicks yesterday using a completely different style of play because his SKILL LEVEL IS HIGHER THAN THE MAJORITY! It’s a level that I respect and make adjustments for. I don’t give a fuck about your game because as much as you preach to being better and me being a poor player who takes risks, you still fall for all the bullshit. Your “game” forced me to make all of one adjustment yesterday, tick throwing you more than usual. When I made that small adjustment, you were being thrown around like an idiot. You know what that’s called among players who have a clue?
A MIXUP! WHEN YOU ESTABLISH A MENTAL GAME YOU’LL GRASP THE CONCEPT!
I do what I feel I can get away with considering the opponent involved. The risk is worth the payoff if I can get away with being reckless and still win because you’re not good enough to finish the match.
HAHAHAHA! Are you stupid? I just don’t bother using them. Truth be told, I use the feint and break aspect of the game offline on either my PS2 stick or in the arcade. It’s a lot easier hitting two buttons with two fingers rather than your thumb. Again, you are LOSING to someone who doesn’t use such a great tool.
Again jumping across the screen for an apparent “no reason” is a win/win prospect online. If you jump I am going to hit you. If you stand there you are going to either get thrown or if you bothered to tech it’s stalemate. If you’d bothered to pay attention to our games you’d notice that I had an easy counter for your jump ins as well but you were too busy watching me abuse lag and play risky apparently.
If you mean throw two fireballs and then you jump. Then I do it again later and you wonder why I already have a jumping roundhouse in your face then yes, I spam fireballs. And yes, you were just programmed to get hit.
This isn’t even worth covering.
Heh… you know it’s funny you mention who I use. Kicks and I ran mirror matches for about 2 hours yesterday covering about 1/2 the roster. All of them were competitive with each of us having a great grasp of the characters used. I think you’re mistaking “you only know how to use” with “you beat me faster with these guys.”
Emil; you’re honestly what better players call a textbook case of a scrub. You should take some time to read Domination 101: You can lead a scrub to water but can you make him think? You fit so many aspects of what Killian discusses as a scrub it’s unbelieveable. If you just shut your yap for once and played the game without bitching whenever you lose you’d have a far more enjoyable time. For all your talk about a shitty player like myself, your losses FAR exceed your wins. When you can actually beat a “crappy” player like myself on a consistent basis, your arguements might actually have a shred of credibility. Right now you’re just a crybaby whiner who can’t deal with adjusting to an online environment to a game that you don’t even play offline for a base of reference.
Oh on a related note, I actually don’t play KOF2K2. As in if you look at my MAME list it has exactly 1 bootup, the time I played you because you coudln’t take any more beatings in MOTW.
Oh yeah, you completely blew off the money match I threw out there.
Its rare that I actually play online, but I’m sure people have different playing styles online and offline. There are a ton of things people do online that will have 0 chance of working offline, but they do it to win. Winning online/losing doesn’t mean you’re a good/bad player either. I played my friend who can’t beat me offline, but rapes me each time I play her online, and she’s played people online that she can’t beat, but rapes them offline.
I’ve seen vids of some of the online matches, and most of the players seem to depend on anti airs and the evasion moves and they almost always hit the opponent. I rarely see any Just Defending, guard cancling, feints and breaks. And I’ve also seen a lot of run away Dongs who depend way too much on the super jump b+C.
It’s best if you 2 just settle this debate in person, do what nagata suggested with the first to 10. Hell, you guys don’t even have to do it for money, you can do it just to end the freakin’ arguement of who’s better.
Anyway, I hear Canada has some decent Garou players. If a group of you guys come down for Evo, let me know, I may be able to work out some sort of team tourney.
To make this relevant/informative…
Maybe it’s because I found this out a few days ago, but I think c.A+B is important offline as well because it only cancels on hit. Makes everyone have a safe super attempt. (still doesn’t help Dong though… :p)
Pretty much what Giby said settle if offline is the only way to go, I would love to play everyone I’ve ever played online in person. But getting everyone together that plays online is near impossible, since everyone is spread out. Hope it all works out.
We never played that many matches. You had one streak over me, and it was 5 games. There were no multiple streaks of 4 or more, since we didn’t even play that many games to beign with. There were no streaks in the last couple of matches, since it was back and forth, although I didn’t really care anymore anyway. The games went likle this: 2 in a row for me, then you won (but the game ghosted), we reset, then I’m not sure if I won any before you got a 5 straight on me, then it was pretty much 1-2 win streaks for both. And it’s funny howyou still ignore the obvious combo misses that would have ended atleast 3 of those matches. After missing such a key combo, I find there is little point to continue as my rhythm is already broken.
I’m surprised I’m the only one that complains about TOP IN. But then again, there aren’t that many people who actually use feint combos like I do, online, and feint combos can easily be messed up by the TOP IN. But whatever, that wasn’t a lag related issue, I just have to practice the combos with the TOP IN activation occurruing mid-combo, that’s all. But I don’t see how it can’t hamper your execution, since when you do an attack during the TOP IN, it doesn’t register it…which means you have to do it again. And when feinting, I don’t know if it didn’t register my feint, or the attack after the feint, so it will usually mess up there.
They don’t really adapt. I know so many hardcore arcade players that refuse to play online because they bitch about the delay. To them, just a slight amount of delay totally messes up their game. They can notice the difference because their gameplay is reaction based to begin with. It is very difficult to adapt to delay, because it usually means you have to become FASTER, and it is hard to just become faster without putting ALOT more practice into the game. I’m well aware of how to adapt to lag tactics (such as just not going for a combo when you whiff a jumpin), but I’d rather keep trying to improve the timing so that I CAN land that combo on you, instead of letting you get away with it.
They probably fall for it because it doesn’t make sense. Usually in my games, I do things such that they can notice their mistake, and learn from it…then I use the fact that they probably learned, to continue doing my mixups. However, you on the other case…you don’t learn. I could keep comboing you for 100% combos all day from punishing a rising tackle, and you’ll still throw them out. This means that a logical player cannot hope to have any sort of intelligent games with you. I might as well play someone who learns from the mistakes, as I already said.
Kicks knows about the game, but clearly that style doesn’t work. If it did, you’d actually see people offline using that style of gameplay, but they don’t…when they jump in with Dong Hwan against a P Power Kevin, they will usually (if not always), get P Powered…
I beat people 10 times better than you, who use such tools…because they use it with intelligence.
Ah, I see how online has once again given you the wrong impression. YOu actually thought I was standing there when you were coming down? THat’s where the delay comes in. I had already told you that when you whiff a jumpin like that, you have vulnerability on the way down to be hit by a ground combo. I had went for a close C timing just as you hit the floor, but you were able to throw me. That shouldn’t happen. But to you, it looked like I actually stood blocking…
I actually, I do that purposely so I can just JD on the way down.
Domination 101 focuses on arcade gameplay. This has nothing to do with online abusable tactics. If I was an online player complaining about valid tactics in the game, then I’d be considered a scrub, but that isn’t the case here. Actually, I don’t think you even understood the term “scrub” that was used in that article.
lol, I guess all those arcade pros who complain about online’s rediculous delay are all scrubs too. Yep.
Because I’m not going all the way to Brampton to fight a random-ass. I’d rather fly all the way down to fight Nocturnal, than to fight you.
Ok Nagata Lock, if you are so confident you’re that good, then why can I beat people way better than you, but fail to beat you that often? It’s obviously because your fighting isn’t logical to begin with…and Giby, the only reason I started this was become he claimed some dumbness about being one of the best in Canada, which is hillarious. I was also told by other people in here, that he was dellusional, full of himself, etc. I’ll keep those names annonymous though. I really couldn’t care about hte “who’s better” argument, it’s about making him realize why his fighting isn’t valid to begin with…
When I played Nocturnal, who is clearly way better than you, I believe I actually beat him more times than he beat me. This is obviously because he’s a logical player, so we actually have intelligent matches. This doesn’t mean I’m better than him though, as clearly he knows alot of things that I don’t, which I want to learn from him. I also beat ace uno more than he beat me (not when he uses B Jenet though, I do not have a solution for her yet), but once again, that’s because his fighting is logical. So what does this mean? I’m better than these people, and you’re better than them since you beat me? I think not. I’m not better than them, and you’re at the bottom of the scale when it comes to these other players.
But as I said, your fighting style is like playing russian roulette, there’s no point even attempting to fight against it because it is so illogical. This is why I can beat better logical players, and not worse illogical players (without having to turtle all day waiting for another rising tackle out of the blue).
This post was way too long to get into a giant quoting back and forth. From what Understand though, your main arguement is that my style of play isn’t intelligent. You believe that if I played a “smart” style of play, that I would be exposed as a poor player and that you would win more consistently. See what I don’t understand is why I should conform to some particular style of playing a game just becuase you’re unwilling to play against an unconventional method? Why should I play a game a certain way just so some guy who thinks he’s good can say he was better than me? If I forged a style that works within the confines of the online engine, who is anyone to tell me that it’s not a good style? I don’t know about you but I play my fighting games to WIN, not to be heralded as someone who’s “an intelligent loser.” If you’re not willing to adapt then you shouldn’t be playing and you surely shouldn’t be bitching about someone else’s style who actually WINS the vast majority of the matches played.
Can someone tell me when I have EVER said I was one of the best players in Canada? I don’t even know the MOTW community outside of Ontario. I can say with certainty that I am the best MOTW player in Ontario barring some unknown player showing up that I haven’t seen before. Hell if you’d show to Shoppers World I can add another notch on the belt just to be on the safe side. I can also say with certainty that the MOTW community in Ontario isn’t very large so it’s dominion over a smaller group of players. However, I have NEVER said I was one of the best in the entire country. Also, if people wanted to talk shit on me and call me “delusional” I’m sure they would have done so. It isn’t like we’re offline and I could punch someone in the face for being an asshole. People have no issues talking shit in forums or in the chat room so I’m pretty sure your mystery people are a load of made up shit. If anything, I go out of my way to help a lot of people with the basics of the game when they’re first breaking in, and there are more than enough people in the channel and in here that could attest to that.
As for the latter point, who you can beat and who you can’t isn’t a concern of mine. You can’t beat me consistently. That’s what matters to ME! What if I play Nocturnal and beat him? Then what? I’ve never played Nocturnal in my life and he may shred me but what if I beat him? Am I better? I’d think I was the better player but he may think otherwise because I don’t play a style that he’s used to. There is no “better because I can beat this guy but not that guy” scenario here. I’ve been playing in offline tournaments for years. Hell I’ve directed this entire province tournament scene for the past 3 years. I have seen and heard it all as it concerns “who’s better and why am I ranked here and blah blah fucking blah.” The bottom line is if you win your matches, you’re good at what you do. If you can’t win, then either adapt or shut your yap. There’s room to adapt offline and online, it’s up to the player who’s LOSING to make adjustments, not to the player WINNING to change because someone else doesn’t think it’s right.
$20 is still out there waiting for you. If you won’t play offline then you’re just full of shit and wasting my time. If your apparent amazing talent can’t make a 15 minute drive then you should shut the fuck up. (yes folks he’s ducking a match that’s 15 minutes away from where he lives where as I would be making a 40 minute drive to prove my point because that’s the only arcade that has MOTW)
No, that wasn’t my argument at all. My argument is that you’re the Homer Simpson of fighting games…let’s see if you can figure out what I mean. And no, I don’t mean that you’re stupid like him…
Too funny…considering you’re not even better than some guy who doesn’t even play the game.
If I turtled and backdashed each time you whiff jumped me, while repeating the Terry guard crush string (since you don’t even know how to counter it), then I could easily win consistently…but I’d rather just fight against someone better so I don’t have to reduce my game to turtling and repeated backdash.
Yes, that was my point.
And you still repeat the same mistakes over and over? wtf…?
Amazing talent? I said I don’t even plaly this game, all I need is basic logic and feint combos to beat 90% of the players online, sadly.
I don’t know how the hell you guys are playing this crap online. I tried playing online once and the lag was just horrendous. Even if the connection was good though it still wouldn’t be as good as offline play. Fighting games just aren’t meant for online play…
I still play 3rd Strike online all the time though. Well…not lately. 2 days ago was my first time playing in a month. Found a lot of offline comp now so I don’t worry bout playing online much anymore. Burning Fist I believe is going to be having a Garou tournament at Anime FX in Springfield Mall this Saturday.
sigh such a tired arguement. If you won’t play me offline then this is all for nothing. You talk too much for someone who won’t put his money where his mouth is. I’ve got faith in my talents. If I took games off JWong at T6, I’m pretty sure my offline stuff will hold up under your scrutiny.
T7 is coming. Why don’t you show up and play KOF2K2 with all the ORBIT fobs and find something wrong with their playing style.
and yet somehow not only do I beat you but I beat you by massive margins. 
Oops, got ahead of myself. 