I honestly didn’t know. Hell, I thought DP’s had full invicibility, not just strike inv… Does this mean we could we be using Fuhajin kicks like the twins use their palm on wakeup?
Juri’s Fuhajin Store will beat any non EX DP. I tested it vs Kens MP DP (which has more invincibility than any other non EX DP) and it stuffed him every time. it didnt reset him either, it gave me a techable knockdown. Spacing dependant. You cant be right up on him or youll get raped for free. you need to hit him with Juri’s foot, obviously. I suggest everyone take the time to learn the spacing for this as it makes shoto wakeup completely free when they dont have meter, and if they feel like trying to Ume-Shoryu, they will need at least 3 bars to keep it safe (EX DP to beat our Fuhajin Store, + 2 bars for FADC in case we block). Once more people incorporate this, its going to really change the Juri vs DP character matchups once we get them on knockdown.
Edit: Im going to extensively test Fuhajin Store vs various reversals. Ill post my findings.
k tested vs a few reversals and here is what ive found:
beats regular and EX tatsu
beats all of ryus/Kens/Akumas DP’s except EX
beats cammys DP, loses to EX
beats sagats DP, not EX
beats all tiger knees including EX
beats fei longs DP non EX
beats oichio
beats tornado throw, EX TT seems to win for some reason
beats out EX headbutt if spaced properly, loses to lp headbutt (honda)
beats out all regular blanka balls, makes EX Rainbow whiff, EX Upball wins
loses to all flash kicks
the thing is, there is a considerable variance in horizontal movement between most characters DP moves meaning spacing will be slightly different between characters, notably Sagat, and Cammy. The spacing to beat out Sagats DP is a little more strict than others. slightly too far and youll whiff, slightly too close and youll trade.
Feel free to dispute / add to this list.
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Thats why people are always shocked when i just walk up on them and fuha kick. It’s a setup I learned vs Ryu that corners him. I love the ryu match up. It’s such aq uick thing that since they’re trying to fadc they quick rise and dont block. THey’re still trying to dash forward due to muscle memory and eat my c.mk.
All of those reversals I dont have luck with, only DP’s. I always lose to sagat TU, or Cammy Cannon Swipe.
Nah I aint sweating it. I’ve had a disagreement with him before so maybe thats what that tirade was about, but I thought the air was cleared. Thats the only reason I posted in his thread. That and a chance to talk about Juri.
Maybe its my posting style, sometimes I think my posts read like Im being combative when I aint trying to be I dunno. I dont think thats it though. Homeboy has this middle school type mentality going where he’ll go off on anyone who has a different a opinion than he does. He thinks there was an argument when all I thought was there was a discussion.
Anyways, I dont think Im gonna go into another forum and talk about a different character anymore lol. I only read a handful of forums, Abel, Juri, Mak and Ryu. Abel, Juri, and Mak forums are top notch, plenty of people who like to discuss their character and share thoughts and knowledge. Ryu’s forum…well there aint no words. I still go there, what can I say I like Ryu.
In that thread i compared Juri to a bad wanabe Dhalsim. After thinking about it some more, I think Juri compares to Sagat better, w/ a lil sim mixed in. Her mobility and normals are very similiar to Sagat. Like Sagat, she CAN outfootsie Ryu, but she shouldnt be doing it easily. If she is then that means the Juri player is simply outplaying the Ryu player. She can pressure a lil better than Sagat as well because of her chainable LK and her specials are unsafe as his. The wannabe Dhalsim part comes from her FB’s zoning similar to Dhalsim’s normals, except she cant throw them out at will, she has to plan and predict ahead of time. Eh, maybe I should’ve went w/ Gouken.
Juri is her own character. The sooner you realize this the better. She doesn’t play like anyone else.
Maybe. Dont forget the IMO part, because IMO I would disagree. She doesnt play uniquely from anyone else. She’s not the first of her kind nor the last.
True. In my opinion she doesn’t play like anyone in the game. She has similar ideas but that’s like saying el fuerte plays like guy. Much different goals and tactics, much different mechanics, yet they both have run moves and run stop gimmicks.
That’s also like saying Ken and ryu play alike. They have similar moves yet different playstyles.
Juri has a dive kick but not used like anyone else in the game… Has a fireball but not used like anyone else in the game, has a counter but not used like anyone else in the game. Her pinwheel is her most normal move.
Her moves can only be utilized like juri utilizes them. To play like anyone else IMO is careless. Then again I believe my juri is different from most.
No idea why this guy talks so high about Juri. Most of Japanese players think Juri vs Ryu is 4:6. Some people really need to learn how to BLOCK.
It’s 6:4 in juris favor. She shuts ryu down everywhere.
i wouldnt say its in our favour so much as its kind of like a soft bad matchup for Ryu, cz in the end hes Ryu, he can take you down on strong fundamentals alone.
Edit: Having problems with the cammy matchup, mainly:
her ground counterhit setups (fierce into medium kick, jabs into fierce, tk dives etc…)
Spiral Arrow, that thing just completely bypasses fireball zoning and footsies.
Meaty Hooligans, how do you avoid those? lol
Crossup Divekicks (how can you tell when they are going to crossup? Its so damn ambiguous)
Yeah i know about the OSing with med and heavy punch, i do that when neccessary, then again it doesnt blow up the instant ones, they catch that, which means you need to jab which is retarded cz you cant OS it…yeah so just give me anything you guys might have.
If I recall correctly, you can avoid meaty hooligans by doing a normal as you get up, that way you can avoid the standing frame.
ryu vs juri if anything is even or just a tad bit in juri favor. i wouldn’t say 6-4 flat out.
Mechanically speaking, as you stand, do you still have that frame window to input your wakeup move for normals? Seeing as i have to be so precise it would be nice to know that my window to input the normal is the same window to input a special.
'i heard you can dash under meaty hooligans. i haven’t tried it myself though so don’t quote me on this.
I’m not sure about that, but I guess it shouldn’t be as lenient as a reversal special.
Juri has no answer to ex rush by balrog from up close eh? Ex straight hits too fast?
I don’t think Juri can do much unless you predict them.
cr.mk xx expinwheel maybe, cr.mk would go under it and the ex pinwheel’s invincibility might carry it through the straight, not that ive tested it. I was gna suggest maybe cancelling into ex counter but if its a reversal (aka wakeup) ex straight it would break it anyway.
Cant cancel into a special…Ex rush just eats my c.mk