Freedemonia in East bay!

I have no experience at all but I would like to do it. I’ve actually been looking at the other side of fighting games ie running brackets, casting, streaming etc. Any experience would be good and I can learn as we go as long as it starts off small.

Edit: I think a good step towards getting the Dojo to stay is to show that we’re legit, and what better way to show that we’re legit by having an ass load of people every week? If we have a tournament with a fairly decent prize pool (50 guaranteed+entry fee) we can get people to show up. Then we have Chrisis body everyone and hopefully they decide to come to future Dojo sessions to level up. I’m sure between all of us we have enough connections to run a good tournament. I think the only problem is going to be organizational because none of us are really experienced at running tournies.

You guys are all shooting around some great ideas. I think the focus should be on both maintenance and expansion. Clearly the most pressing issue for sustaining the group long-term is a venue. Expansion can be achieved over time with more advertising, word-of-mouth, tournament representation, streaming sessions etc.

If we’re going to begin hosting tournaments the logistics and payout scheme should be something we agree upon as a group as to not alienate any of our current members. And it should be clear that the tournaments are NOT mandatory, everyone should still be welcomed to play casuals like before. However a biweekly is a great way to foster competition and maybe attract new members. One thing to keep in mind is if you have a larger % for the pot the total pool of players may end up making up for the difference of the money going towards the Dojo anyway.

As for Empire Arcadia… lol Holy Metal Knight Commander Worf Jostar. Nah, we shouldn’t even go there. At heart we’re just a group of people getting meeting up for some games on the weekend.

Well as for tournament and pay-to-play casual stuff like that, I cant really do it. I’m still in high school, and I cant really find a job that easily, but don’t worry about me, you guys do what you need to do to keep the scene alive.

-ThaGuy, If my shitty computer can handle the Hauppague(but it’ll be alot to bring, and as i mentioned before, i leave early), i think the i3 maybe able to. Yeah i think the HDD should be needed as recording alot of videos will take up alot of memory. Forgot how much it’ll take but like if i recall, it’s around 300mb for 3 minutes? I forget. it’s like 3-5Videos for 1gb at 3 minutes average… which is weird cause like 700-800mb for around 15 minutes. I forget, lemmie try recording tomorrow if i got time. So much homework which teachers are making us cram for the STAR next week.

Damn you are not getting us at all. The dojo will ALWAYS be free. The tournies are a side thing that may or may not be running at the same time. It’ll just be something to get more exposure and plan for the future. Don’t worry at all.

Also wtf don’t you go to Lincoln? I never had to “cram” for the STAR test we just reviewed easy ass shit.

Thank you, seems like people dont like reading the text. HA.
Also STAR testing. HAHA. Bullshit. Barely any money goes to schools and if they do it’s already cut. Also whats BS is the CAHSEE or the Exit Exam, 8th grade math/english? Really?

@Tasty, I know what you’re saying. If there’s a larger turnout, of course the payout will be higher, due to a larger pot.

People need to read =).

He goes to lincoln ? Whoa, no wonder he sorta looks familiar.

Ya that is what I meant by alienation…but people shouldn’t be confused with having to pay for casuals. The idea was to make the dojo bigger, not turn it in to a business.

Here is an idea, once we able to get some footage. we can use FADC’s website to get even more exposure! Then slowly network with the SRK names and etc?? Well lets not get too ahead of ourselves.

Maybe we can ask around how to run a tournies and such.

LOL the EMP comment came from the saturday at V’s place. I was like saying how it was similar cause The Arc is just basically Triforces’ house.

Schools on blast. I keep forgetting that some of us are still young and in school. Oh wait, me too.

@linknights don’t worry, I can sympathize. We will always try to stay true to the Freedemonia name, at the very least. It’s understandable that school/work(or non-work?)/life takes priority. We’re just trying to figure out the best way to keep the scene alive, as you said, but you’ll always be welcome.

@Silis I remember the Arc comment. Crack house! We grinded almost the whole week at V’s place before the KSII tournament and the results showed. Chrisis is known to have 20 hr+ midnight runs. Recently zaku and I spent the night at V’s trying to learn Tekken, lol (with DKL doing Virtua Fighter).

I have some experience running (non-FG) tournaments but with similar single/double bracket elimination schemes. The simplest way to run it is have everything on a laptop then have at least a couple people with dedicated assignments like calling players/helping with stations/updating brackets.

As an aside, I really need to learn everyone’s real name. I was on blast for forgetting VII’s/Anthony’s, I probably have selective memory from him mayor-piping me too many times.

There should be no confusion here.
Lets clear things up.

In order for the dojo to get exposure was that the dojo run local tournies on a set period,(weekly,bi-weekly,monthly,yearly etc)
I am not sure exactly how it will go, the tourny could be along side with casuals or not. Attendance is not mandatory etc
Also, we COULD stream but looking at the post so far this is actually more LIKELY then the occasional tournies at the moment.
(this all here is the for exposure!!!)

Now, here is my opinion for how to get exposure quickly. I believe that tournies SHOULD be more effective, then streaming cause stream monsters will be stream monsters. This is what I feel we should establish first, then streaming. But as I mentioned above…Streams will most likely come before us organizing a tourny.

I think I’ve cleared it up…slightly even? I think…:smiley:

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I know we can do both! But that is just how I look at it. Because most likely the pot monsters will actually come to the dojo versus the stream monster who like to sit and bitch LOLOLOLOLOL.

There’s no reason we can’t do both. People just need to be active about it, bring their stuff in and work it out.

I’m definitely interested in the streaming portion if we get all organized.

I think it should be like this.

-Worf is the head guy
-There should be a dedicated few to streaming (I’ll volunteer with my computer and I’ll look into wirecast)
-A dedicated tourney bracket dude

You kinda get what I’m saying? I think of now from what I’ve seen and heard in terms of attracting other people around the Bay Area…is that we have numbers and the venue itself is arguably the biggest and could potentially be the most organized. We also have 5 setups (6 if I bring mine). That’s a REALLY decent venue imo. I’m not sure of how strong we actually are because from what I’ve seen it didn’t look like everyone was there.

But yes we have to establish a consistent order if we do decide to run this. For now before we even decide to include money/pots in all of this…we should get the essentials down first to attract more people.

I’m all for being in charge of the tourny portion. I really have been interested in this and been looking into it privately for a while.

Ill stream/tourny and any other thing. Venue = Location. Not the setups themselves or turnout. Just for clarification.

We can have a billion setups, but without a venue it’s useless.

Yep apparently this year, teachers are using their times to cram. I’m just filled with homework >.>
CAHSEE was easy. Waste of money in my opinion too… there was even an Essay Writing test that i took this year that determines the position of my English class in college, not sure if you guys took it.

Yeah i think i read wrong. I’m really just skimming everything right now while procrastinating on my history homework.

Like i posted before though, i hafta actually relearn some stuff in Physics (which i forgot this year already --) cause they are making me take it for the STAR test when i have no science this year -_-

@Sillis you went to Lincoln too?
@Tasty Thanks, that made me feel better

And for the location…
Well my mom works in a hotel (Hotel Nikko in Downtown SF), if i tell her this plan, she might or might not want to tell her boss,but the Hotel will need to get some Revenue per person which they might say of course to that. I lost my train of thought from here.

so much dialogue since I’ve been gone!

Some great ideas regarding doing a tournament. We did a SSF4 tournament sometime ago where I did brackets, and it went fairly smooth. The only problem, in retrospect, was that we didn’t have to dedicate all the setups to running the tournament since we left a lot of peeps sitting around with nothing to do once they got eliminated, heh. But I can help Demoninja with brackets, it’s fairly straightforward. Challonge/tonamento/etc can’t solve everything, so you just gotta stay on top of things (latecomers, forfiets, etc.) and keep track of everyone (including strangers).

I’d pay $10 for a monthly, or $5 for a bi-weekly.

freedemonia theme song?

@link Yes I went to linc, and ALSO my aunt works there ALSOOOOOO. If you don’t want to ask your mom, I can maybe ask my aunt…but what exactly were you getting at? That we get their ball room or something? Sounds sorta like WNF…Also if you have stuff to do just do it, I mean this is just the planning portion. This discussion will be the “hot topic” for a while.

@Serg. FUCK YES. THEME SONG. Donny Osmond is GDLK!

Also I agree with the pricing.

Haha yeah Anthony was telling me about that on AIM. That was a bit before my time. Things have changed though, we consistently have 5ish set ups so 3 of them can go towards the tourny while the other 2 are on casuals.

Just to throw stuff out there, here’s what I’ve been thinking. These are preliminary ideas that I really haven’t put thought into yet but seems pretty obvious to me.

Venue: If V is down we can get at least one tourny at MPH or the Crossroads. There’s a decent amount of parking around State on Saturdays so that’s not a big worry.
I thought about it for a second, MPH is no go. It’d have to be at the Crossroads.

Setups: I was gonna personally go around to see if you guys are down with letting yours be used but I do have a guaranteed two at the moment.
I was thinking all PS3 so we can have consistency. BYOC of course but there’ll be a few sticks there for people who really can’t bring one.

Entry Fee: $5-$10, if it’s gonna be $5 I’m willing to throw down some of my money so there’s a bonus of $50ish for first.

Just going to chime in here and share some of my 12+ years of tournament going experience.

If it continues to be held at SFSU, you have to consider the some of the type of people the sf community consists of. There are people that like to drink, smoke cigs/weed and go to tournaments. It happens, you can say it’s prohibited but it’ll still happen and will ultimately go back to the organizer and the event. Possible shutdown of the dojo.

But, what can you do to possibly prevent these problems?

The alcohol issue- I know from experience of running an organization at CSUS alcohol IS allowed at official organization events. So have you thought about turning the dojo into an official SFSU organization? There are some things you have to do before hand and proper checking of ID is definitely required. At CSUS, the requirements to form an organization were very low, just 10 student members ratio of official student members to non-student members were like 8:2. You also get money FROM THE SCHOOL for food, shirts, equipment, etc.

The Drugs issue-If you open the flood gates to the entire community there is a high chance that you’ll have to deal with this. But don’t get me wrong, expansion is a great thing but I feel the way it’s currently growing is great. Also, you should tap into the student community first. I’m sure people already living in the dorms are more willing to walk downstairs to play than people on the other side of the bay. This way, they are also held responsible for their actions on school grounds(better behavior). So try posting fliers around the school; dorms/food courts/rnc especially and invite other organizations to attend the meetings and in return attend theirs.

Streaming:

There are other things needed for streaming besides what it seems like you have so far: xbox, computer, and capture card. This will allow you to send video to wherever your stream is connected if you have a GREAT connection and if you want to plat on a computer, however, it will not have crowd sound, commentary, and streaming software that will compress high quality video for you prior to upload it (BTW, Wirecast costs $450 per license). You’ll definitely need a splitter (will split the audio video from the xbox and allow it to go to both a TV and the capture card). Other things you’ll need to do a budget version of a typical stream: mics(commentary and crowd noise), audio mixer(adjust volume between said mics and game sound),and additional cameras/webcams. I have an i7 MBP that I’d gladly bring when I attend and maybe a copy of Wirecast.

Where can you get the money for the equipment?

Weekly $1-$2 entry tournaments where EVERYTHING goes towards the event are a great start. Also, allowing rebuys will raise more money and allow for runbacks in the middle of the tournament. It’s all for fun anyways, right? It’s not so much that it’ll break the bank for college students but it’s good enough that over a few months you’ll have a decent amount to buy streaming equipment. It’ll also provide entertainment for people just there to watch and not really playing yet as they can see the ‘better’ players towards the finals. Image 16 people sign up. (16x$2 = $32[potentionally more with rebuys!]) x 10 tournaments = $320 dollars for equipment. Running tournament brackets is so easy nowadays. Just use any of the programs out there designed for it and plug and chug.

So basically, my advice is to fully establish yourself as a group/organization/club/whatever that is capable of doing things on your own before you reach out to expand to entire sf community. Get the things needed do the streaming, then getting the word out will be a lot easier.

Just my $.02

THIS should be the theme:

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Yeah, a good bracket program is only the beginning, the biggest problem is ALWAYS keeping track of people and staying on schedule. But yeah, I’ve heard horror stories of brackets getting lost/deleted, people being seeded wrong, accidentally eliminated, so just keep that stuff in mind.

Also, everyone should take heed of what Som says, I know he’s been in the scene for a minute and has the experience to back his words up.

Stop doing that! >_<

Som speaks great wisdom, I especially like the idea of posting flyers at RnC, as I’m sure there’s a lot of regulars there who don’t check srk to know of our sessions.