Until a few months when he can dwu.
• Vega: He got many buffs, and in testing it felt like he got a little too strong, so he had some changes reverted, like the invincible Scarlett Terror and cr.LP having an extra frame of hitstun. It was noted that his Super hitting on the way up is a big buff, as he can combo into it quite easily now.
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DAMN YOU ZEUS
Man, I hope we get MORE nerfs. I want to see how far they can go. I hope they make all his links 0 frame. Every special should have 60 frames of start up. He’s too strong! More nerfs please!
Point is that, the world’s best VEGA PLAYER is getting dominated in the NEUTRAL GAME, where he’s actually supposed to thrive, and having to rely on people falling for knockdown setups over and over again to win against a top Rufus. That’s pretty fucked up, and yet people think it’s not a bad matchup, Rufus Vega is 5-5 somehow.
Anyone who calls Rufus-Vega MU even is either very vain or ignorant.
Reiketsu is World’s best Vega for me. Don’t forget that he OCVed a whole gang of Yang players including Kyoku, Aqua and Nemo when the twins were broken.
God dammit. People like to put words in our mouths in here.
I just posted a setup that makes winning that nightmare more possible.
If you ask me I say that that shit is 7-3 Rufus together with Abel.
I don’t even want to think how this matchup will be when we lose that setup with the incoming DWU. Meanwhile Rufus will proceed to Dive Kick in our face if we delay our wake up or not.
In the context of this thread, this is an unneeded remark. If you read the discussion, Sol provided some really beneficial advice for what seems to almost nullify akuma’s vortex options and instead of rationally discussing it you guys are being condescending towards him? Read moon’s responses. One of his replies shows he either didn’t understand or read sol’s points, and his response to sol’s logical elaboration on it was a sarcastic self-depreciating shitpost, ignoring all his points? How is that productive or helpful?
Then look at niah’s post. He found the advice helpful.
He does say things worth reading at times. I even agree with him about much of the discussion.
That doesn’t mean I want the same cyclical discussion, dead horse thrashing festivals I see in other areas carried out here.
Thanks for the breakdown, though!
I read your post as coming off condescending to Sol. It seems I misinterpreted that? Regardless, the way some other people reacted was awful.
It’s because say it works once, the Akuma player simply adapts and pressures him another way. Not like there is anything Vega can do about it. Then he can mix it up with vortex again. Sometimes you guys act like high level play is always going to be someone doing the same shit over and over and that adaptation never factors into the game.
It’s why DWU won’t make a lick of a difference. Once people get used to it, everyone will change up their timing between options and Vega will still be fucked. The pressure game won’t be the same but it will change to a degree.
The cr.MK to escape may work once but then all the Akuma player has to do is change the distance he does it. If Vega tries again he gets hit, if not, he blocks and Akuma can pressure more. It’s not like Vega has a reversal.
if akuma changes the timing of it, it’ll obviously hit front, so you block front. the cr.mk is suppose to avoid that 50/50 chance of getting crossed up or not. that’s also what DWU was designed for, to stop ambiguous setups. of course you’ll still be pressured, but at least you know which side to block so the chance of escape is a LOT higher. it makes the opponent THINK on how to break your defence instead of relying on ambiguous setups to do the work for them
and yay i’m promoted to level 2! whatever that means…
^^^^What Niah said.
I think peoples first reaction to DWU was a little too optimistic, which lead to the misconception that it will completely eliminate the pressure game.
Clearly it will not. Players will still try to rush down Vega but at least we won’t have to deal with 50/50 mix-ups any more as well as auto-pilot option select BS.
DWU will dramatically change high level play and I for one look forward to it.
What I don’t look forward to is the unnecessary nerfs Vega has received.
@niah That’s what I mean though. We’re still stuck blocking, so what does it really matter? We still have to deal with the pressure either way. A quick escape gimmick for one thing won’t get you out of trouble and you’ll still be stuck blocking all day, every day, if Akuma gets in like that. Or Akuma can cross you up the old fashioned way instead of relying on the dive kick.
Dude. You got knocked down, now you have to deal with pressure. Thats how SF works.
DWU is there only to prevent setups that are way too strong.
Having to deal with frame trap/throw is a thousand times easier than blocking the mix up between dive kick/crossup tatsu.
The first one is fair, while the second is bullshit.
learn to focus tech back dash
Doing that in Ultra with two bars will activate red focus, I believe. As an aside.
And still get punished on recovery or lose space and get stuck in the corner. Yeap.
You are so whiny…
focus back dash can’t easily be punished by many, and it takes immense concentration to do so. If you’re being punished for focus back dash, it’s either you are doing it too closely where the 2nd lp hit you out of it, or you’re being read. losing space is still better from having to deal with all that pressure. think risk/reward. if you’re scared of losing space, learn to throw or izuna drop people into the corner. just try it out and see, theory fighting is different from actual matches. just see how it works for you. you might be surprised form the outcome.
Theory fighting. Ha…people do that way too often. All it takes is for someone to look at a streamed tournament to see how effective focus back dashing is. EVERYONE uses it, even at the highest levels of play. The trick is to use it unpredictably.
I can tell you right now that only the top level players effectively use true block strings. 90% of the fighting community do not. Meaning, you can focus backdash between what appears to be a block string but is actually not. The same goes for OS. Again, only at the highest level of play do OS become a relevant threat. Meaning, the chances that it will be executed after a well timed focus backdash is very minimum in most of your matches.
So, please stop theory fighting and start focus backdashing. It’ll pay off more often than not.