Final Round XIII Results

Shag · March 15, 2010, 1:10pm

They did stream Smash. I don’t remember when but I think it was on midday Friday or early Saturday. I only saw Falco vs. Snake fighting in a few matches.

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 1:16pm

The answer is in your question.:nono:

Dont Start no shizz… there won’t be no Shizz.

but I’m not a MMBB hater so lay off… There was a lot of Recording equipment at FR… Mabe somebody recorder your Shizzn henti for you after all.

Try AGAIN KID!

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 1:23pm

I’m saying… they did there best.

The_Third · March 15, 2010, 1:27pm

MB players themselves would have been all for streaming their own game, but FR did not allow it.

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 1:33pm

Warpticon:

Lay off the drugs, homie.

Incoming essay, apologies for length.

Congratulations to the winners and those who played. Good to see a lot of solid players in a lot of games. Thanks for people posting results. Looks like there were a lot of games with good turnout and good players. I’m glad I got to see some of it, and I was largely happy with what I got to see.

Before I get into it, I want to make it clear that I appreciate the fact that there was a stream at all. I understand that I’m not owed anything, and I could just be getting second hand information in this thread or on IRC and be happy. However, there were a few things related to the stream that did not sit right with me.

First of all, certain games getting shafted from the stream left a bad taste in my mouth, with MBAA being a special case for reasons I’ll get into later. Now, it certainly wasn’t the only game to get no stream time, and I’m not saying it deserved time more than other games. I know Alpha 2 didn’t get any stream time (but it was in a cabinet, so that’s understandable). GG, BB, Garou, and KOF12 got no stream time, and KOF2k2UM got a finals match only on stream. I know there was no Smash on stream at all. I understand that there was a time crunch and you can’t fit everything in…though you did manage to get in two Tekken 6 team tournaments and arm wrestling, among other things. Whatever, there’s only so much time. I understand…

I also know that when the Melty scene wanted to run their own stream, Larry told them they could not. He said that he was trying to draw sponsors and didn’t want to take viewers away from the main stream, and that he’d put the top matches on stream for their game. Similar things could have happened with other games, but I know specifically that this is what happened with Melty.

Now, this is extremely faulty logic for a few reasons. For starters, there’s nothing stopping people from opening multiple streams at once. I know I had streams for Melty, SF4, SC4, and T6 open during NECX, and the “main” stream still had over 2000 viewers by the end. Moreover, there are a lot of people who are tuning in for specific games. You’re afraid of turning off SF4 fans by showing other games? Well, you’re doing the same thing by forcing fans of other games to watch the main stream and not letting them watch a stream for their game. Do you really think that, for example, a random Smash fan is going to watch 3 days of SF4 and Tekken just because there’s no Smash stream? No, he’s probably just go do whatever he would have done otherwise and find out the results later.

So, it’s a rule based on a false assumption. But we all love Larry, so we’re like, whatever. It might not really make sense, but we’ll let him rock. At least we’ll get to see top 8 on stream, right? Well, no, we didn’t. Understandably, a lot of us feel like we wasted a day or two watching other games, at least three of which our game outdrew in attendance, for nothing. I imagine it’s similar with other games as well. Not everybody is into every game, but if you’re a Tekken fan who hates SF4, at least you would know you’d eventually get more Tekken, and vice versa. If you’re a Guilty Gear player waiting to see some matches on stream, well, you were just fucked.

Of course, I know neither Larry nor any of the other Final Round staff was setting out to take advantage of anybody. I couldn’t imagine they would. I just feel like, if you’re going to go on a site for a game, start a thread, and promote your tournament there, hyping it up, you can give that game a little bit of burn.

Which leads me to my other main issue, Eric V. Now, I’m not saying he ruined the stream or that he was all bad. I don’t know this guy, and he might be great at commentating during other tournaments or events with no stream. I don’t know. This was my first experience with him, though, and the bottom line is that I think his performance left a lot to be desired. One problem in particular: it is my not so humble opinion that anybody responsible for running and commentating on a tournament stream should pay as little attention to stream chat as possible. Ignoring my personal opinion on this whole “shizz” business, it’s exceedingly poor for an MC to spend as much time reading chats, cracking jokes, and giggling to himelf as he does talking about the matches on screen. I’m not saying you have to be a robot, but come on.

It’s even worse when you talk over matches because of something that happened in stream chat. On one occasion he even talked over AN ENTIRE FUCKING MATCH during MBAA team finals to threaten stream randoms with banning because he believed them to be dissing the staff (which he incidentally blew way out of proportion, according to pretty much everybody). He kept repeating himself for no reason. Even the MB haters in the chat were annoyed by it. Now, here’s something to consider. If there are 1000 people watching the stream, there probably aren’t more than 100-150 actually actively in the chat, if that many. In fact, a lot of viewers pop the stream out to its own window so they don’t have to see the chat. Now, of the remaining vast majority of people, how many do you think want to know what’s going on with the match? Now, how many of those do you think want to know all about you threatening Joe Whothefuckever with a ban because you didn’t like what he said in stream chat? I’m going to go ahead and say fucking nobody. Food for thought.

Now, like I said, it’s not all bad, and I’m not trying to make it sound like he ruined Final Round or something. If I hated the dude or something, I wouldn’t be making plans to go to MTG in April. Nevertheless, these things did seriously hurt the quality of the production, and they were all very easily avoidable.

Final Round is a great event, and it sounds like this was another great one. I’ll have to find a way to make sure I make it next year.

TONE! Handle you boy… up load/ post a link to BLODDY MELTY MBYMCA^^^^^ top 8 or what ever… Lets see your community in action.

I hope it’s better than the SF4 showing at FR.

Tigerboi · March 15, 2010, 1:36pm

Dude, shut up.

Henaki · March 15, 2010, 1:49pm

<- me reading ur post

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 1:52pm

Hell no… u shut up Tigerboi2010!

I want to see the full FULL results TOO!

btw… People need to start speaking up. IF I’m annoying you I dont give a Shizz! Thats why we have mods!

Marvel does not suck BTW.

Henaki · March 15, 2010, 1:54pm

JiBbo · March 15, 2010, 2:02pm

So you can’t “moderate” your own words? Sheesh. You’re posting wrecklessly. I don’t even know what your point is because I can’t get over how annoying you are being.

Anyways

Amazing tournament as usual Larry. Congrats to all the justins! – err I mean, placers! I’m proud of NC in 3rd strike. I’ll do everything I can do make it next year. I had family financial situations come up and I felt it would be selfish for me to go under given circumstances. The fact that I don’t like SF4 isn’t much incentive either.

Long live 3rd strike!

Henaki · March 15, 2010, 2:17pm

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 2:34pm

I can say what I want… I dont give a shizz about being annoying.

I’m Saying final round was good… the stream was good… I had fun watching the stream even with the problems…

I know SF4 is a new game… but the game play was hella weak. Something drastic needs to happen if NEW BLOOD the want to prosper.

It’s very sad to see SF Played on such a low caliber. The turn out was amazing!

Street Fighter is ART… but I saw no beauty in SF4. The game play painted a Very grim picture for the United STATES. EVO IS COMMING UP… JAPAN FOR FREE!

Btw I’m sorry to hear about your hands being taken away…

Hudd · March 15, 2010, 2:42pm

Justin counter picks Jan. YAY! Respect lost.

DaDesiCanadian · March 15, 2010, 2:46pm

Justin lost your respect, gained first place and a huge pot.

I’m sure he’s on his way to suicide right about now.

Mizuki · March 15, 2010, 2:46pm

I heard Justin Wong read David Sirlin’s classic book “Playing to Win”

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 3:05pm

I heard Justin Wong read the ART OF WAR.

BAS Has the Art of War on his IPHONE.

MagnetoManiac · March 15, 2010, 3:08pm

What’s all this? First off, No defence is gdlk.

Number two, Justin got the W and we don’t mean his last name. Respect the hunger, and the PROPER way to GET MONEY in an AMERICAN FORMAT.

edit: Shout out to Eduardo doing his thing, glad to see you do well.

No_defence · March 15, 2010, 3:16pm

Ditto…

10_Stars · March 15, 2010, 4:12pm

You are an idiot.

citiofbrass · March 15, 2010, 4:53pm

He’s gdlk @ what? A game that no one plays anymore, or sf4 where I don’t see him top 5, 7, 9 ? I know ur not saying his words are gdlk…

Ppl pay this guy no defense…no mind… he pulled this same shit last year . I pulled his card. No defense just practice what u preach. How about u show us how. It’s done. U can’t only causr u like hearing yourself speak.