They did mention possibly having secret characters in an interview I remember.
No need to be sorry. I’ve already laid out my arguments for why I feel Kefka is not one dimensional. I’m more than willing to continue any debate on this matter. Argument is good.
That’s on the Dissidia site. Has been for some time. Go there and there’s some cool screencaps under each character. Check it out. :tup:
sephiroth was probably said to be because he is basically one of jenova’s children/clone, i reckon since JENOVA wiped out all of aeris’s mothers race, she is the most powerful. since shes dead 
nomura probably felt ok with saying vincent is right now
why is vincent the most powerful anyway??? maybe he looks most like nomura
but cloud single handedly killed sephiroth without any materia at all in both game and movie.
i dont agree personally that sephiroth is more powerful than the lifestream because thats like saying naruto > kyubi.
the lifestream (earths energy) is what destroyed jenova in the first place, which is why jenova and her “children” hate Gaia.
the lifestream is every soul on Gaia that is in line to take a new place e.g energy for a new tree, energy for a new born baby etc so it is a pretty huge statement to make saying that a sephiroth is more powerful than all of that
official site has the first system entry up with vids about brave attacks and HP attacks
EDIT: you gather brave points and then you use said points to deal HP damage with various attacks
without any brave, any HP attack will deal no damage
you can also do a brave combo chain and then end with a HP attack
honestly even if this game ends up being broken, it looks like a blast to play
Voice cast: http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/dissidia-final-fantasy-has-an-amazing-voice-cast/
Warrior of Light: Seki Toshihiko (Legato Bluesummers, Trigun)
Garland: Utsumi Kenji (Raoh, Hokuto no Ken)
Firion: Midorikawa Hikaru (Zelgadis, Slayers)
Emperor Pallamecia: Horiuchi Kenyuu (Jamil Neate, Gundam X)
Onion Knight: Fukuyama Jun (Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass)
Cloud of Darkness: Ikeda Masako (Maetel, Galaxy Express 999)
Cecil Harvey: Hodoshima Shizuma (Jonouchi Hisashi, Boogiepop Phantom)
Golbez: Kaga Takeshi (Chairman Kaga, Iron Chef)
Butz Klauser: Hoshi Souichirou (Kira Yamato, Gundam SEED)
Ekkusudesu: Ishida Tarou (Count Cagliostro, Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro)
Terra Branford: Fukui Yukari (Nia Teppelin, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
Kefka Pallazzo: Chiba Shigeru (Narrator, Hokuto no Ken)
Cloud Strife: Sakurai Takahiro (Kururugi Suzaku, Code Geass)
Sephiroth: Morikawa Toshiyuki (Hayumi Masumi, Glass Mask 2005)
Squall Leonhart: Ishikawa Hideo (Uchiha Itachi, Naruto)
Ultimecia: Tanaka Atsuko (Kusanagi Motoko, Ghost in the Shell)
Zidane Tribal: Paku Romi (Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist)
Kuja: Ishida Akira (Xelloss, Slayers)
Tidus: Morita Masakazu (Rail Tracer, Baccano!)
Jecht: Amada Masuo (Manev the Gale, Trigun)
Cosmos: Shimamoto Sumi (Gin Rei, Giant Robo: The Animation)
Chaos: Wakamoto Norio (Cell, Dragon Ball Z)
Narrator: Sugawara Bunta (Kamaji, Spirited Away)
I call Golbez as broken tier for this reason.
I take back what I said. Golbez is way better than Kefka, for Kaga ALONE.
However, if Mark Hammil voices the English Kefka, then GGPO.
Since Japanese Zelgadis is Firion I vote that Crispin Freeman play our Firion, just so people like me get the obscure reference. God I love Slayers. Why is anime so crappy now?
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> However, if Mark Hammil voices the English Kefka, then GGPO.
I thought the same thing. But I heard that Mark Hamill can’t do the Joker voice any more because it hurts his throat. 
The Joker already claimed Heath Ledger! We can’t let him take Mark Hamill too!
If squall busts out tsukuyomi…
Be prepared for a long post, as I am replying to some people within this thread…
There is absolutely no comparison from a storyline standpoint of The Joker to Kefka. Firstly, the Joker has more than 50+ years of comic book history to back up his storyline, thus making him a far more interesting antagonist and well above that of Kefka on any level whatsoever. I have seen the “similarities” to the Joker and Kefka, however, beyond “insane” and a “clown” like appearances, Kefka from a storyline perspective, does not even hold a candle to the Joker.
Which is exactly why an 8 yr old could create this sort of character. Kefka is what we call simple evil. He purely just hates everything, this is no different then someone like Frieza from the DBZ series, because he just literally wants to dominate and control everything, and simply does not value life.
This is exactly my notion of him being a one-dimensional character, because it is not entirely difficult to create an antagonist such as Kefka. We know absolutely nothing about his past, we don’t know how he even became “insane”, all we know is that he just hates everything, and despises life (this is reasons why the Joker>>>>Kefka, we know more behind that clowns face then this one).
I would like to ask you this, how is this any better then the DBZ villains? Who might I add, are just as evil, are just as insane, care very little for life, and have had way more success, however, I do not gauge them as being some of the most well established villains, so tell me how Kefka is any different to these villains from an individual standpoint?
Because the way I see it, if you where to say Kefka is a well established antagonist, then the DBZ villains in there own right would be legendary in comparison.
Kuja from a storyline standpoint is vastly superior to Kefka in every conceivable way, because we see way more from a storyline standpoint to Kuja then what there ever was for Kefka. In fact, Kefka was getting his face mopped by the FFVI gang almost all the way until he started consuming all of the espers powers, there is absolutely almost no real personality to him, except what I stated earlier, a very one-dimensional persona.
Kefka just shows that he hates life, and that he’s evil, so how can this not be simple evil? While someone like Kuja, you actually got to see human frailty within him, doubt, and overall, Kuja has more human qualities which is what pushes him as a more well developed antagonist. That’s why guys like Magneto in comic books are interesting antagonist, while pure evil villains in comics are overall for the most, simply boring and linear.
I see nothing from a storyline standpoint (excluding powers) that could possibly make Kefka more interesting then other FF antagonist such as Kuja, Sephiroth or even someone like Seymour.
The battle during VII, in which the fight between Sephiroth and Cloud VII the game was all mentally, it was more of a battle of Cloud saying “You can no longer control me”. Because Sephiroth tried to seize Cloud’s mind once more, however at this very point, Cloud will was at his strongest, allowing him to overcome Sephiroth.
In AC, Sephiroth did indeed lose to the Omnislash V.2, however it has been clearly shown that Sephiroth was vastly superior to Cloud in every concievable way, in this 1 vs 1 battle, it was made visible that Sephiroth was not even struggling throughout the entire match up, and was merely toying Cloud, while on the other hand, Cloud was showing increasing signs of struggle, frustration, and even fatigue. It was even stated that during this fight, AC Sephiroth was even holding back his full strength so he could mess around with Cloud.
However, ultimately, you could say Sephiroth lost mainly due to the fact that of his “arrogance”, however as I stated earlier, he loses because ultimately because he’s the antagonist.
However he is never truly defeated, since he can return back anyhow.
My reasons why I state Sephiroth being more powerful then the life stream is this. Firstly, Jenova was never defeated “by” the lifestream, in fact, Jenova was infecting everyone and practically everything when she first came in contact with the ancients all those years ago. The planet at this time even went so far as to creating the Weapons to have it defend itself against something like Jenova.
It was actually the few selected Cetra’s who defeated Jenova, and let’s be real, Sephiroth is vastly superior to Jenova, since Sephiroth is the only one to the present day in the VII world who can truly control the Jenova cells at will (this has been proven with him moving Jenova’s body parts at will and using it to do his deeds for him). He even manipulates Cloud, who was injected with Jenova Cell’s as well, not to mention the countless other clones that we saw in VII.
Sephiroth fell in direct contact with the lifestream, any other “being” would have been completely consumed by the lifestream. However, Sephiroth’s will was so powerful that he actually utilized it to learn even more about the planet, and it’s strength, thus growing increasingly more powerful.
This is why Sephiroth orchestrates what occurs in Final Fantasy VII, because not only does he merge with the lifestream, but he centers himself at the Northern Crater where it occurred all those thousands of years ago. You even see Sephiroth go so far with manipulating the lifestream as to even reviving the weapons, which the lifestream itself helped to create to defend the planet, however Sephiroth instead uses them in his favor.
In AC, you see this once more where Sephiroth again manipulates the lifestream in AC, from all of the people who died from geostigma contaminating the lifestream. Not to mention, Sephiroth dwells within the lifestream continuously growing in power and learning even more, due to the fact that his will does not let him die. So in both case scenarios, it has been Sephiroth>Lifestream, I mean, the evidence is all there.
However, to anyone who still refutes Sephiroth not being the most powerful, I suggest you read up the FFVII AU, it pretty much explains very well why nobody is beyond Sephiroth in the universe of FFVII, however just by simply seeing his feats in Pre-VII, VII, and AC, sets him apart from everyone else already.
Ps: I didn’t bother to go back and edit for grammar, misspelling or what not, so if you see any of those, which you probably will, then that’s the reason why.
couldnt said it better myself. u also forgot that sephiroth wasnt complte in ac. he only had kadaj. he was missing yazoo and loz. even then he wasnt at full power. he loses bc well in all ff good guys have to win. bc what would happen if seph killed cloud. i mean seriously.
By that logic, Jesus is a much better character than Joker, having way, way more than just 50 years of history and storytelling under his belt. Come on.
Good and evil are relative terms. They are not rigidly defined concepts. Good villains don’t think they’re evil; they’re doing what they think is right. Kefka is not “simple evil” anymore than Superman is “simple good.” And hating everything, or wanting to conquer everything, or wanting to dominate everything does not automagically flag a character as flat, or bad, or ANYTHING for that matter.
Before Joker origin stories, Joker was still a popular and mesmerizing character. You didn’t need to know his past: that’s irrelevant. All that matters are his actions now. Kefka’s past is irrelevant to the story. It doesn’t have to be explained to you. Nor is a character with a well-defined past automatically a good character. Is Terra a bad character until she gets her memory back?
Kefka’s lines and actions throughout the entirety of FF6 establish his character, his motives, his very personality. No scene with Kefka has him acting in a manner inconsistent with his character. You are shown, very deliberately, very personally, what lengths Kefka will go to. His past is not well defined, but his character most certainly is. Again, that 8 year old would have to be pretty damn thoughtful (and/or disturbed) to create a character like Kefka.
I don’t buy for the slightest second that either Frieza or Cell were insane. (I stopped watching DBZ around the Buu saga when I realized that I was watching garbage.) But, yeah, they cared little for life, and both had successes and defeats in DBZ. That describes a great many villains.
I fail to see why you want me to compare Kefka to DBZ villains, but fine:
- Kefka can’t destroy planets, most DBZ villains can.
- Kefka relied on trickery, deception, and immoral tactics (i.e., poisoning women and children), whereas most DBZ villains just threaten to destroy planets.
- Kefka ruled the world for a year, some DBZ villains have ruled planets for various lengths of time.
- Kefka sought to dominate, then destroy. And, um, so did Cell? And maybe this Buu character?
I don’t see what it is you sought to get from me by this comparison.
You haven’t established your one-dimensional argument yet, other than to make the claim that because we know very little of Kefka’s past, he must somehow be a poorly written character. And weren’t you the one who said that power levels aren’t what makes the character? Didn’t you JUST ask me to compare Kefka to DBZ villains? So why the mention of him retreating during most of his fights? Why does that even matter, in the slightest? You’re confusing me here.
Kefka was frail. Hence the reason he ran from most fights. And again, you’re defining “pure evil” as this school of thought that villains have. Magneto doesn’t think he’s evil. Guess what? Neither does the Joker. Neither does Ultron. Neither does the Green Goblin, one of the most vengeful characters in comic books. Neither does Darkseid. And neither does Kefka. None of these characters believe that they are evil. Because THAT would make a character “pure evil.” And that would make a character shallow, worthy of design by the ever-mentioned 8 year old.
There are people so full of themselves that they have supreme confidence in their own actions. It’s usually some sort of mental illness, but these people exist: I’ve visited people in asylums more than once in my life. Characters like Kefka and Sephiroth, doubtlessly confident in their superiority, are no less valid than characters like Kuja who showcase self-doubt. Kuja’s self-doubt eventually felt forced, and soon enough he turned into “planet buster Kuja” (who my monkey boy and his big boobed girlfriend are somehow capable of hurting) with very little reason to continue that character development.
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but jenova isnt even fully alive, shes just old body parts now. the original sephiroth held her in his hand then got pieced out by cloud. it was the next sephiroth that killed president shinra and the one who you meet and fight during the game.
yeah i supposed tifa and cloud are uber powerful aswell since they also fell into the life stream when tifa helped cloud from rmaining as a vegetable. sephiroth DIED
the weapons awoke to clear the planet of the trouble thats been caused on it, by humans! sephiroth activated it, called for its help because of places like midgar, which was its first target. sephiroth claimed humans werent worthy and that every soul should go back into the life stream, so he can take everything to the promised land
sephiroth isnt in the life stream, sephiroth was in that little container, sepiroth is JENOVA, kadaj realized that when he looked into the container, he always thought sephiroth was an older brother but he isnt, sephiroth is the perfect fusion of a human soul and jenova’s cells
but theres 3 sephiroths that we know of. we know the first is the son of lucrecia (possibly the second) and the last one is kadaj
kadaj’s friends/brothers arent some type of puzzle piece they are just like those monsters in the containers except the monsters are all failed clones. the three AC villians each have the ability to become sephiroth.
you say jenova got pieced out by a group of cetra like its a walk in the park, aeris automatically had a high degree of power eventhough shes only half cetra and isnt the battling type, im pretty sure the cetra that defeated jenova were VERY powerful
Ok…in all seriousness, I like Kefka, he’s my favorite villian. However, this is a thread about DISSIDIA, not “Which FF villain r0x0rZ mY s0x0rZ, Urz aR3 a11 t3h lam3!!!1111one” C’mon people, while in the same world as Dissidia, it has NTOHING to do with the actual game. So please, stop. </rant>
Anyways, does anyone know if there’s a translated transcript for the combat explanation videos?
Another long, long post…
Jesus would be an infinitely better character then the Joker, because his actions are actually realistic, and he moved an entire world. How could you possibly hope or find the ability to compare a “made up” character to someone who actually stepped on this planet and made a significant impact to the world? You seem to have misread my notion, Joker has a magnitude of storyline to benefit his character, Kefka does not, the similarities between the two end at “insane” and clown like.
How does this make him a well established antagonist in comparison to someone like Kuja? Kefka is simple evil and the comparison to Superman must absolutely stop…we know that Superman “may” have the simple good to him, but the human qualities he has makes him a more complete character then Kefka will ever hope to be. Also, hating and wanting to dominate everything does not = bad, however this does not remove the fact that his persona is as broad as a string.
The Joker has one advantage that video game characters do not have, and that is a process of a pro long storyline, usually most video game characters don’t have this opportunity, and in case for Kefka, VI is it. Yes, the Joker was popular before hand, however, he was made even more popular now, due to his storyline build up. All of these only elevated Jokers status, and had it not of been for his more developed storyline, many people wouldn’t even elevate him to the status he now carries as an antagonist in the comic book genre. So in part, it wasn’t just the Joker’s insanity alone that made him a well established character.
Lastly, Terra>>>>>Kefka, she showed way more qualities to herself in her amnesia state then someone like Kefka. However, unlike Kefka, through out the storyline of FF6, you saw significant changes to Terra…the only thing that changed to Kefka was that he gained improved “fire power” potential.
Which is exactly why he is one-dimensional and linear, he has absolutely no reason, out for the sake of “I have hate everything”. How much simple can you get here?
He just simply despises everything and everyone, except for himself. Your statements basically answered your very own questions, because what vastly huge “writing thought” was needed to create a persona like Kefka’s?
Linear is indeed correct, and maybe you’ve never teached kids before, however whenever the subject of “bad guys” come up, they will make very linear characters such as persona’s similar to Kefka “Evil, kills, has no remorse, has alot of power”. Simply put, Kefka is a very basic foundation for an antagonist, you pit Kefka’s personality to some straight forward saturday morning antagonist and you’ll see that the simplicity of them all is strikingly similar.
Frieza was insane…how could you not say he wasn’t…he wanted to rule every living thing, and to have everyone bow down to him. He wiped out planets without recognition or care, hell, he almost wiped out the Saiyan race by destroying their planet…yet, this isn’t the mark of someone insane? 
Cell was the only one who showed mannerisms of not being “completely” insane, because he was looking more for a challenging opponent then anything else, however he had very distinct qualities that made him a very linear antagonist. Buu is nothing more then simple evil, yes even more so then Kefka.
Kefka is very comparable to DBZ villains, because of his persona, not there “power” lvl differences, if you would have read I clearly was talking about there personanot who could blow up planets and who couldn’t. This is where I make the comparisons, you talk about trickery, deception and immoral tactics…however gasp even DBZ antagonist utilized trickery, deception, and immoral tactics as well at one point and time.
Yet if you look at someone like Frieza, and someone like Kefka, and the personalities almost fit together (They even laugh almost the same amount as well), the only real difference here is that Frieza has 1000000x more firepower. However, the concept of the both of them being insane, full of themselves, being evil, it is all there. So other then the fact that they are just inherently evil…what else have they brought to the table that would not make them linear?
The notion that I haven’t backed myself up with any evidence, and yet, what we’ve seen with Kefka was nothing more then just simply hating everything for the sake of hating. I mean, am I wrong? He has no real purpose, other then for enjoyment, sure, Kefka is twisted and sick, but that doesn’t make his character anymore interesting then someone like Frieza, who shows almost exact similar qualities.
As I stated earlier, if you state that Kefka’s character persona was “great”, then you will have to have put the DBZ villains on the same pedestal of “Great Well Made Villains”.
Your completely way off on this argument here, my reasons for Magneto being interesting is the fact that he has human qualities (as you stated above, he feels it is right, however we know of his past, his ties, his connection to Xavier, etc, etc all accumulate him well above the stature of just an average storyline antagonist), but way more, it is because of how he became who he is that made him even more interesting, then him just simply being Magneto. This is the case with the numerous other characters that you seemingly posted up from the comic book genre as well.
Also, Kefka not knowing if he’s “evil” is seriously dubious on so many levels, considering we don’t even know anything as to how he got insane in the first place (while for other characters like Magneto, we usually do know the situation before he does something drastic), so the idea that he doesn’t know if what he’s doing is not evil holds absolutely no water.
Lastly, I shouldn’t have termed “pure” evil, I meant to say simple evil, for we knew from in game that Kefka’s is exactly the same throughout the entire VI storyline. He is made on purpose to be the most basic of a villain when it comes to his innate personality, which is exactly why an 8-yr old could create this character…you tell me which is more easier to create, someone with more human qualities like Kuja who’s personality is more broad which would require more lvl of thinking to develop a character such as that, or someone like Kefka who simply has one real thought in hand.
Kefka’s persona never went beyond his insanity point, which is why as I stated 2309482309428 times, he’s a linear antagonist in comparison to the ones who came after him (minus Ultimecia) within the FF Series. Not having a “background” for the antagonist isn’t always bad, however it certainly fleshes out the antagonist a whole lot more, and Kefka does not share this advantage.
Also would like to point out that Kuja losing to Zidane and the gang has the simple advantage of one thing…Zidane and the bunch are the Heroes, not Kuja. This couldn’t of been the first time you’ve seen a vastly superior opponent lose to a much inferior opponent?
Now Onward to the comments of Sephiroth again…
Read the FFVII AU, it helps out alot.
How could Sephiroth not be beyond Jenova? The Sephiroth clone/s in VII was controlled by Sephiroth himself from the Northern Crater anyhow. Also, one last important thing that you don’t know about, Jenova has her will and power completely embedded within her cells, and yet again, Sephiroth’s will and ambition where so great that it allowed him to control Jenova’s Cells.
In fact, everyone who has been injected with Jenova Cells has had various changes to there minds, they are either even beneficial or detrimental. Jenova Cells even controlled the Ancients and turned them into monsters, however the only person in existence within the FFVII world to completely utilize it for his benefit without any handicaps is Sephiroth.
Seph>Jenova, for Sephiroth’s will is more powerful then Jenova’s.
Your taking things out of context, because people exposed heavily to the lifestream would become what Cloud became “A Vegetable”, he was flowing in there for how long and ended up at the lower end of the continent. Take this into comparison to Tifa and Cloud at that one point in which she helped put his memories back together. Sephiroth didn’t technically die at all, because his will stopped him from fusing with the lifestream. This is the reason why he learned a huge significant amount more during VII in comparison to his Pre-VII, and why his abilities in VII outshine his abilities in Pre-VII.
Weapons that Sephiroth himself manipulated to wake up through the use of the lifestream. This is reasons why the Weapons absolutely did not attack Sephiroth, who was actually manipulating the Lifestream, Holding Back Holy, AND summoned the Meteor to destroy the planet. So really, who is the true threat to the planet, Sephiroth or the humans? Yet, all the Weapons did was focus on attacking Midgar…the only potential threat to destroying the barrier Sephiroth had created over the Northern Crater. Coincidence?
Let me get into detail here, the remenence of Jenova Cells where within that container, not Sephiroth being Jenova as you implied. This was needed, along with Kadaj as a vessel in order for Sephiroth to return. As for you speaking of the lifestream…umm, you see all the black swirling things around Sephiroth? Yes, that’s the lifestream contaminated by Geostigma, which is what Sephiroth had intended, thus the reason he was manipulating the LifeStream yet again.
The one that was the clone, was manifested in thought by Sephiroth himself when he was at the Northern Crater, he simply shaped Jenova to look like himself, this is why at the beginning, the Sephiroth we see is a cloned Sephiroth controlled by the real person himself. Kadaj was nothing more then a mere vessel to bring Sephiroth back to the world in a body form, however when Kadaj fuses, he became the Real Sephiroth.
However, these are all the real Sephiroth and even the “clone” Sephiroth that is running around in VII was being controlled by the real Sephiroth anyhow. So again, his feats all stand, and yet in almost all cases, he was stated to be holding back his full powers.
To how powerful they are is all speculation, however that fact that Jenva cells has her own will within them, and the mere fact that Sephiroth utilized it for himself pretty much explains it very concretely that Sephiroth is vastly superior to Jenova. Just think here for a second…everything he did in VII, and the Vessels in AC, he did almost entirely through his will.
Aeris, was powerful, but she’s not on the same lvl as Sephiroth, ever notice that the most poweful magic Holy in which she summoned herself was held back by Sephiroth through his will within the Northern Crater, and only when he was defeated was it released from it’s iron grip. If not, then the Meteor would have smashed into the planet and it would have been ggpo, so even Aeris summon of Holy wasn’t enough, as it took the entire lifestream of the planet now free from Sephiroth’s grip to finally eliminate Meteor.
The Cetra’s where powerful, but nearly all of them almost got destroyed by Jenova’s Cells and these are the very cells that Sephiroth controls himself.
They need to put in Joker’s theme song from BTAS for kefka
why yes video games are so deep
I wish I could talk convincingly for hours about nothing. It’s a good skill to have around the office.
Dear fucking Zod, if you two/three don’t take it too PMs, I will find someway to ban you.
Septimus owes me a favor.
Speaking of which, blazeu25, please don’t quote the entire fucking post.
As for actual game news, I’m kind of hoping that the English VAs (if there are any) are the VAs for the same characters that are sighted as an example of the Japanese actor’s work.
Having English Kusanagi’s voice for Ultimecia would be perfection.