FINAL AE 2012 Balance change Request for gouken to ONO!

[Reipin_Pillage]

Thanks for the tip Reipin, I didn’t know that upper body part. But still, it would be more useful if it had faster startup, right?

What wouldn’t be more useful with less start up?

My point is, you can already do this…

So you decrease it to four frames and now you have 3 more frames to do this. It makes people have to react to fireballs before they may even have time to see which one it is, and that’s from full screen when I chuck that fireball and I still nail him trying to jump it.

Yeah, as random anti-air, it’s great to have a faster startup, but there is more to it then that, it has a wider range of effect then just on you anti-airing. 7 frame is FINE if you are just looking to anti-air jumpins, making it full body hit invincible or suck in like EX tatsu would go a lot further imho.

If anything, HK and MK should be decreased to 7 frames, make it standard across the board or something.

[DAGS]

LK tatsu has upper body invincibility and is quite useable as anti-air, the problem is the range is deceptive. It looks like it should be hitting with lots of horizontal range but you have to use it when people are jumping right in front of you otherwise it will drop them. You can’t hit their jump attack with the tip of your foot.

Missing is on you, it’s up to you to know when it will miss and not. Trading is fine cause you get an Ultra for free. If you are getting hit out of it you are doing it too late.

I though the bottom half was the only part with hit strike invincibility? I remember seeing Street11 talk about this some time ago… plus I want to lessen our chances of getting safejump freely.

[street11]

upper half and his kicking leg are the parts with strike invincibility, not the lower half.

[DAGS]

upper half and his kicking leg are the parts with strike invincibility, not the lower half.

That’s what I meant with bottom half(his legs).

[street11]

Oh, all right. But his supporting leg (front leg during start-up) is not invincible at all.

Just his back leg, and his whole body above his waist is.

[cris25]

Does the same principles apply when doing an air tatsu? If it does, it would be a good air to air.
(The problem would be the long recovery though…)

[Politank-Z]

How you guys feel about changing the counter to the old one but having the command changed to dd+p or dd+k so they dont have to come up with a new counter and there wont be any command overlapping?

That would actually be amazing and go a long way in being able to use it as a get-the-fuck-offame move. I think so at least.

[GamerQ1986]

On Oct 2 A tweet asking if AE 2012 would be out before or after UMVC3 was sent to Ono .

I have yet to decide.Yesterday,we hadLocation-test at Tokyo.We’ll checking result ;D RT[S]@[/S]FuZzY_NUFC:can we expect AE12before or after UMvC3?

I guess we just wait and see what happens

[ID01]

Does the same principles apply when doing an air tatsu? If it does, it would be a good air to air.
(The problem would be the long recovery though…)

No it doesn’t. Air tatsu have no invulnerability, plus it have a pretty weak start up time and deadly long and predicable recovery. It is probably the worst Air special in the game. Beside canceling from j.mp, catching people across the screen with EX, and dodging AA special on landing and some funky cross up that can only be done on tall character and predicted AA, it can’t really do much.

[Reipin_Pillage]

That would actually be amazing and go a long way in being able to use it as a get-the-fuck-offame move. I think so at least.

You wouldn’t be able to utilize it from blocking, you’d have to start doing d,d and give up your block.

[Politank-Z]

You wouldn’t be able to utilize it from blocking, you’d have to start doing d,d and give up your block.

I thought about that after I posted but was too lazy to edit. Yeah I guess it would have to stay as mash DP.

[cris25]

I went to training mode just now and thought of simple ways to help fulfill his needs with some easy fixes.

1. about tatsu hitting couchers, maybe if he had a normal that would force stand this would be solved. I think cr.mk could do the trick since it hits up.
2. he lacks pokes that lead to specials. Cr.Lk would be a good poke if we could combo a hadouken after it, right now it doesn’t. Same thing from cr.mp. But better than that, would be if we could link a Palm after those moves. As it is today, the cr.lk doesn’t do enought hitstun to allow a combo (it just combos to lp palm if it’s close and mp palm whiffs) and for the cr.mp (that i think is his best footsie tool) none of the palms connect. Fixing this would give him better tools.
3. better recovery on the tatsu. ok it takes forever to land but once you touch the ground you should be able to block! Like a dp.
4. improve his demon flip grab to grab crouchers easily. Right now you have like 2 pixels of chance.
5. better hitbox on ultra 1 so you dont get crossed up easily and whiff your ultra.
6. better starting damage on his ultra 2. I’m not sure how it is on v.2012, but 256 for a ultra is ridiculous. (If you do it after a backthrow it does even less).
7. ANY option after EX demon flip (tatsu, EX fireball, or 2 hit armor). After all, this is his only reliable defense tool when up close, and as it is, it doesn’t work properly.

Hope I’ve contributed with something. I think all this are easy, plausible and fast tweaks. I’ve worked on game development before and I know that If the dev team took this in consideration, this wouldn’t be hard to implement, since there are no new moves or animations to develop.

[vvolfster]

More block/hit stun on demon flip kick or command dive kick would be welcome. Will make people respect his jump-ins a lot more on block. Either that or I’d like to see more block/hit stun on his air MK (even thought it is very useful as is).

[GamerQ1986]

So guys ono recently just tweeted this:

“So We’ll be open about AE’12’s modified point document in end of Nov. Plz wait it’s document. We’re still finalizing about AE turning Dev.”

So its looking like we are getting a final list sometime at the end of november! I guess we will know then if gouken got more goods !

[cris25]

So guys ono recently just tweeted this:

“So We’ll be open about AE’12’s modified point document in end of Nov. Plz wait it’s document. We’re still finalizing about AE turning Dev.”

So its looking like we are getting a final list sometime at the end of november! I guess we will know then if gouken got more goods !

It sounds like there are no more testings, just the final announcement… Hope I’m wrong =/

[GamerQ1986]

It sounds like there are no more testings, just the final announcement… Hope I’m wrong =/

Well they have done plenty of location tests to gather data and by the end of november it will be too too late for more test. Im ready for them to just wrap it up and give it to us. If they can’t get it right this time then just stop trying lol. With all the feed back from the community and test this should be the best version of street fighter 4.

[howling]

gouken would benefit a lot from better frame advantage on the regular dive kick. as of now its very hard to make it anything after, for no reason, since seths and akuma’s divekicks can be followed up with no problem.

[GamerQ1986]

gouken would benefit a lot from better frame advantage on the regular dive kick. as of now its very hard to make it anything after, for no reason, since seths and akuma’s divekicks can be followed up with no problem.

I agree. Id like to have more reason to use regular dive kick besides the fact that its an overhead. The hitstun is shit and the timming for the dive kick is weird also.

[cris25]

I had an idea. What if the EX demon flip naturally had armor? That way, we could parry a 2 hit move and we could NOT be hit when doing our ONLY invincible move out of the corner. I frequently get hit on my way up, BEFORE I’m able to cancel the flip to a parry. (Not because I don’t hit the button early enough, but because It is just possible to hit from the top of the arc down).

[Reipin_Pillage]

That’s the weakness of the flip… There is a reason you can’t do anything on the way up