FINAL AE 2012 Balance change Request for gouken to ONO!

[DAGS]

This thread is funny. Cl. st. MK needs to be a command normal!!!

Pal, think of your own ideas. Just because the flow seems to be heading a certain way doesn’t mean you have to follow it. What are you his bitch? I find it funny how just a couple post above you responded to him(Reipin Pillage) about forgetting it and wanted Cl.st. HK a command normal instead.

[GamerQ1986]

You don’t fucking get me. I don’t have anything against your idea, but I thought it would be greater if Mk in general would just be cl.st.mk itself. More easier to utilitize than it being a command normal. That why I opposed with an idea of far.st.mk of being the command normal instead, then in return cl.st.mk would be the regular Mk that Gouken will have.

heh Id be fine with this! I get what your saying

[Reipin_Pillage]

Just remove close and far version of st.MK and combine them to be one move. Frame data will be start-up 3, active frame 2(2)2, recovery 13. Damage will do somewhat less. It’ll force stand opponents, and it will do 150 stun. 2nd hit will be super cancellable, 1st hit will be special cancellable. But we know capcom won’t do it.

I can say that they will absolutely not make one normal a command normal, because: They’re too lazy.

You’re a god.

[Reipin_Pillage]

You don’t fucking get me. I don’t have anything against your idea, but I thought it would be greater if Mk in general would just be cl.st.mk itself. More easier to utilitize than it being a command normal. That why I opposed with an idea of far.st.mk of being the command normal instead, then in return cl.st.mk would be the regular Mk that Gouken will have.

Right, I misinterpreted what you meant. Either way works. It’s the same difference.

Also, you really have no reason to start flinging shit with Iam, he isn’t taking sides in our discussion, he just agrees that cl.st.mk needs to be able to be more useable in the sense that we don’t have to rely on someone being point blank for it to come out.

Flinging random shit just clutters threads. Street11 has the best idea and that’s pretty much the end of it. My idea is shit compared to his.

[GamerQ1986]

By the way, I posted an idea for a persuasive trade off for current Lp.palm to change.
Since Capcom doesn’t want Lp. Palm to connect at the tip of cr.lk in it’s current state, how about a compensation of no knockdown but for the ability to move again and speed adjustment to connect at the apex of cr. lk? and it will only cause knockdown on CH. You guys think that’s a good trade off? We will have a close range anti - focus move for Gouken.

Let’s say theoretically they did adjust it Lp. Palm (connects at the tip of cr.lk) this is its changes
Regular hit: no knockdown(similiar to Ae Zangief G.hand changes and first hit of Ex palm)
Counter hit: Current state of Dash palms

Do you guys get it?

I know majority of us wan’t Lp. Palm to move, but at its current state I find it horrendous.
This seems like a fair trade off to me. What do you guys think?

Hell now that I think of it, we would get a greater tool for FADC combos with its greater damage than Hadou( similiar to Oni’s running slash in FADC combos.) That’s if the pushback isn’t too far.

Your idea is actually pretty good. Id trade knockdown for range if it means better footies in the long run. Also like you said if it does not knock down then we prob can combo from it from a FADC and that would be sick! Pretty exciting idea!

[DAGS]

Right, I misinterpreted what you meant. Either way works. It’s the same difference.

Also, you really have no reason to start flinging shit with Iam, he isn’t taking sides in our discussion, he just agrees that cl.st.mk needs to be able to be more useable in the sense that we don’t have to rely on someone being point blank for it to come out.

Flinging random shit just clutters threads. Street11 has the best idea and that’s pretty much the end of it. My idea is shit compared to his.

Well earlier a couple post ahead, he responded with your idea of Cl.st.mk by forgetting it and having Cl.st.hk become a command normal instead. I find weird how he was opposed to that idea earlier on, then suddenly support what he was against. By the way agreed on Street11.

[Reipin_Pillage]

Forgetting it and being against it are two different things, but I’m sure he will be along to say whatever it is he is going to say…

[Imm0rt4l]

edit. nvm

[GamerQ1986]

I really want the backthrow to ultra ability gone and in exchange capcom should give us something more viable to work with. Plus lets be honest its a cheap way to get an ultra even if its easy to tech. Id rather have something more respectable and viable. That may just be me though.

[Imm0rt4l]

I really want the backthrow to ultra ability gone and in exchange capcom should give us something more viable to work with. Plus lets be honest its a cheap way to get an ultra even if its easy to tech. Id rather have something more respectable and viable. That may just be me though.

I totally agree with this.

[The_Mullah]

i need mp palm to be safe on block so i can spam some safe shit in peoples face when they dick around in front of me and say wat. cl.st.mk command normal would be ace. also because this thread is not neccessary i’ll ask a question thats completely unrelated. how do you guys deal with instant jump back hk on your wakeup from chun? will new mp palm be able to tag her if you’re hit?

reipin’ i dont see how cl.st.mk and full juggle on super will stop gouken from getting reamed by guy, ibuki yun makoto etc.

[ID01]

I really want the backthrow to ultra ability gone and in exchange capcom should give us something more viable to work with. Plus lets be honest its a cheap way to get an ultra even if its easy to tech. Id rather have something more respectable and viable. That may just be me though.

I agree with that too. A backthrow like this is very difficult to balance. Though I typically uses it mostly for punish then for random grabbing.

What are we going to have to replace it with though? I mean, obviously we on’t get a reversal. Then what? Command throw? Teleport? I dunno.

[GamerQ1986]

I agree with that too. A backthrow like this is very difficult to balance. Though I typically uses it mostly for punish then for random grabbing.

What are we going to have to replace it with though? I mean, obviously we on’t get a reversal. Then what? Command throw? Teleport? I dunno.

Id like it to be made into a command throw.

[Reipin_Pillage]

how do you guys deal with instant jump back hk on your wakeup from chun?

reipin’ i dont see how cl.st.mk and full juggle on super will stop gouken from getting reamed by guy, ibuki yun makoto etc.

Walk up c.hk on Chun.

Guy is -2 or -1 on run stop. 3 frame normal you can use at will instead of when he fucks up a run stop and stops next to you will allow you relieve the pressure. cl.st.mk xx lp palm will give you breathing room at the least.

Full Juggle on super is just so saving the super becomes an actual strategy. 3 frame super is not enough to warrant saving it.

[The_Mullah]

i’m probably not fast enough to react to run stop and press a normal and time it right, i can mash jab and stop him if i played a shoto or boxer but watching for the run stop and the counter hit setups, tick throws and the flips etc melts my brain lol.

[The_Mullah]

oh and i meant on goukens wakeup and chun does the ioh

[GamerQ1986]

Ono just tweeted this 45 minutes ago I think perhaps sooner but it seems the next list of changes they show us will be the last and FINAL. This will be it for the old man im guessing. If they don’t get him right this time then we will just have to deal with him lol. To be honest, after playing gouken for so long I can’t ever drop him so its whatever. Ive spoken and im sure the japanese left good feedback at the location test so im very excited to see Whats AE 2012 gouken going to be capable of!!

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[Reipin_Pillage]

oh and i meant on goukens wakeup and chun does the ioh

Yeah… Walk up sweep. She floats so bad…

EDIT: And you’ll get fast enough to react, even if it is psychic. You just need to play it. You don’t have anything that can stop him as is so you have no reason to react.

[Azuro]

Honestly, cl.MK as a command normal is probably the best thing they could give him. 3f punisher that doesn’t have to be used up close, a possible counter to focus fishers in f+MK xx LP senku (remember, cl.MK moves Gouken forward), as well as giving him a hitconfirm from jabs (Potentially also a combo like cl.MP, s.MP, f+MK xx LP/MP palm). That, and giving all tatsus the same locking property as EX tatsu, and fixing kongos and EX senku so that they work properly.

He’d be fine after that.

[GamerQ1986]

Honestly, cl.MK as a command normal is probably the best thing they could give him. 3f punisher that doesn’t have to be used up close, a possible counter to focus fishers in f+MK xx LP senku (remember, cl.MK moves Gouken forward), as well as giving him a hitconfirm from jabs (Potentially also a combo like cl.MP, s.MP, f+MK xx LP/MP palm). That, and giving all tatsus the same locking property as EX tatsu, and fixing kongos and EX senku so that they work properly.

He’d be fine after that.

Id be pretty happy with those changes and its not asking for too much either. Either way we will see what they bring to the table soon I hope with the LAST changes.