Filia Basics & Combo Thread - Bad Hair Day!

Narroo · December 16, 2012, 7:22pm

Are you sure that’s not techable? I can’t test atm, but it looks like the j.HK hits way too high. Put dummy on any of Fwd/Bwd/Rnd on “Techroll” (or “Groundtech” or something, I’m not sure what exactly it’s called) and try whether it works at all.
Either way, at best it uses up your OTG and flicks the opponent away into nothingness.

If you want a really easy combo, I’d advise something that keeps the opponent extremely close to you so you can reset easily - even if that sacrifices some damage, if it keeps pressure on your opponent it’s worth it - think about it:

A 4k damage combo that leads to nothing = Always 4k damage

A 3k damage combo that leads into more pressure (and thus possibly another 3k combo) = Sometimes 3k, sometimes 6k, sometimes even more.
This means that even if your followup pressure only leads to something tangible on every 3rd try, it’s just as good as the 4k combo (3+3+6=12; 4+4+4=12),
it causes way bigger mental stress for your opponent (because it doesn’t give any breathing space), it saves your life (eg because you don’t have to approach again vs a Peacock), etc.

As a random creation in my head (no guarantees this actually works -as said, can’t test atm-, just as a general idea), something along the lines of
c.LK > c.MP > s.HP xx SJ >
j.LP > j.MK(2) xx H.ABall xx AD
j.LP > j.LK(whiffs)
would deal around 3k dmg and have you land slightly before the opponent (so you can setup dash unders, assist calls, crossovers, meaty throws, etc)

Then after you’re confident in being able to do this, you can tag ukyos universal BnB on top, and have
c.LK > c.MP > s.HP xx SJ >
j.MP(5) > j.MK(2) xx H.ABall xx AD >
s.LP > c.MP > s.HP xx SJ >
j.LP > j.MK(2) xx H.ABall xx AD
j.LP > j.LK(whiffs)
or something along these lines, for around 4k (and still keeping the opponent next to you)

Filia really relies on these Airballs now (for all of approach, damage, setups, mixups, whatever);
you have to learn the Dashcancels to work properly anyways, so you might as well start out with that.

P.S. Doesn’t this look scary? And that’s prepatch, and really really old! Model your base combo after that, rather than maximizing damage (if you don’t want to bother learning a 50 hit combo)

Random sidenote: For anyone interested (which seems to be nobody ), I posted the Filia BnB (though I cancelled a j.MP one hit too late, but was too lazy to redo since it was just to test the camquality) in the Vidthread a while back; might as well put it here too -
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Sweet, thanks! I’ll be sure to do this next time I load up the game! And yes, that vortex looks scary. I doubt I could actually get out of it.

Tomo009 · December 16, 2012, 7:25pm

Who does that particular combo not work on?

Vulpes · December 17, 2012, 5:19am

Which particular combo? The BnB?
The Loops and Ender are character universal, so it’s just the starter that is char specific

Bella one can exchange the first j.HK with a j.MK(2) instead for a bit less damage

Peacock needs an entirely different whatever, I don’t have my notes here atm

Whether you think Painwheel/Parasoul/Valentine are practical or not is up to you (it works, but the timing is very strict)

Verstande · December 18, 2012, 11:11am

Quick question, if I grab the opponent while in the air, can I follow up with any combo? or even super? I would test this for myself but I don’t have access to a ps3, and was just wondering about SG right now 0___0 I think I’m addicted to SG

omg this combo is classy, when I have the time I’ll try to pull it off.

Vulpes · December 18, 2012, 5:33pm

H.Airball after an Airthrow hits and (if you haven’t airdashed already) allows you to meterlessly followup with [xx AD] into combo (alternatively, if you have 1 bar, [xx Samson] > Combo always works).

Verstande · December 20, 2012, 2:15am

So if I do H.Airball I can cancel by dashing and then follow up with a bnb?

worldjem7 · December 20, 2012, 11:34am

I hope you guys are happy now =D

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Start with 1 meter and build another meter for the second super.
Can be done midscreen.

Works on everyone except Cerebella, Double, and Peacock
Hard to do on Painwheel and Ms. Fortune, but possible.

Notation (broken up to make it easier to read):

j.HP > ADC > j.HP > j.HK > 5HP > j.HK > j.214HK > dash cancel >
5LP > 5MP > 5MK > 5HP > (j.LK) > j.MK > ADC > j.MP > j.HK > OTG >
2LK > 5MK > 5HP > j.LP > j.MP > j.MK > j.214MK > j.214KK > 5HK > 623HP > 623PP

Version that works on Cerebella, Double, and Peacock

j.HP > ADC > j.HP > j.HK > 2MP > j.214HK > dash cancel > etc… (same as above)

NOT touch of death on Cerebella, Double, and Peacock, but pretty close.

Peacock version of the combo (thanks to guitalex)
Works on Peacock, Ms. Fortune, Painwheel, Parasoul, Valentine (but is shy 26 damage from a KO), MIGHT work on Double if you can get the OTG to hit.
Works on Filia if you swap j.LK and j.LP
Doesn’t work on Cerebella

j.HP > ADC > j.HP > j.HK > 5HP > j.HK > j.214KK >
5HP > j.MP > j.MK > j.214HK > ADC > j.LP > j.HK > OTG >
2LK > 5MK > 5HP > j.LK > j.MP > j.MK > j.214HK > dash cancel
5LP > 5MP > 5MK > 5HP > 623HP > 623PP

BrandX · December 20, 2012, 11:29pm

worldjem7 had about 3 different versions before the combo you guys saw, I decided to stick with the second version which you see here lol
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c.LK > s.HP > j.HK > j.214HK > dash cancel > s.LP > s.MP > s.MK > s.HP > j.MK > ADC > j.MP > j.HK > OTG > s.MK > s.HP > j.LP > j.MP > j.MK > j.214HK >
623PP

I also decided to take a bit of the 3rd versions final part, and add it to the 2nd version, creating a touch of death for 3 person teams. (I really need to have death enabled lol. It is a touch of death, I checked.)
[media=youtube]Aa4zLRK3rPQ[/media]

j.HP > ADC > j.HP > j.HK > s.HP > j.HK > j.214HK > dash cancel > s.LP > s.MP > s.MK > s.HP > j.MK > ADC > j.MP > j.HK > OTG > s.MK > s.HP > j.LP > j.MP > j.MK > j.214HK > > j.214KK > 5HK > 623PP

ukyo_rulz · January 1, 2013, 9:58pm

I got video of my BnB here:
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Tomo009 · January 2, 2013, 10:51am

Everyone probably knows this, but

j.HK starter:
Painwheel
Fillia
Valentine
Ms. Fortune

j.MK starter:
Double
Cerebella
Parasoul (can get j.HK but it is super spacing specific)
Peacock

Basic BnB I am currently doing, a bit less damage than my old one on half the cast but more reset opportunities and can be done after super/throw unlike my old one.

whatever ground string s.HP > j.MK/j.HK xx HK Airball xx dash j.MP(1-6 depending on character/spacing) j.HK > land s.MK s.HP > j.LK j.MP(want all but difficult on some characters) j.MK xx HK Airball land xx dash s.LK s.MP s.MK s.HP > j.LP j.LK j.MP (same again) j.MK xx HK Airball land xx dash s.LP (Big reset opportunity obviously) s.MP s.MK c.HP xx HK Hairball xx Fenrir Drive

Vulpes · January 2, 2013, 6:49pm

j.HK starter worked on Double too
And I didn’t get the j.MK on Peacock to work and made a 3rd BnB for her :s

Can’t test anything right now cause stick still broken

E: Also as with my BnB above, that should be sufficient strings to make the opponent end up in the corner (and as such allow a s.HP>j.HP>j.HKxxAirball(xxGregor) stringender for significantly more damage

Tomo009 · January 2, 2013, 6:59pm

How are you getting HK on Double? It whiffs for me.

MK works on Peacock? Is it the MK itself or getting the j.MP j.HK to restand them?
I never have problems getting MK to hit her, but the latter is a problem and what makes Peacock the hardest for me. Have to really delay everything to get her to be low enough.

Hmm, didn’t think of using that ender. Could probably do a decent chunk for 2 meters.

RemiKz · January 14, 2013, 12:13pm

This is the combo I’ve been doing in the corner

c.LK > MP > MK > HP > j.HP > j.HK > AD > j.LK > j.MP > (j.HK) > LP > MP > MK > HP > j.LP > j.MP > j.MK > HK Hairball > Dash > LK > MP > MK > HK > HP Updo > Fenrir Drive.

Works on everyone if you leave out the (j.HK). Doesn’t work on peacock as it won’t restand her. I advice not doing it against Painwheele or Ms.Fortune either as it has some strict timing to the restand and isn’t even necessary. Also you might need to adjust the height of the first j.HP > j.HK for certain characters. Peacock you need to do asap while Parasoul requires you to be more at the apex of your jump.

Does about 11k damage in a 3v3 or something like that without a jump in. I can take out a character if I DHC into Cerebella’s Diamond Dynamo and follow with this:

c.LK > c.MK > j.MP > j.HK > (hold charge back) > LP > MP > HK > Call Filia HK hairball > Run > Pummel Horse > HP > Cerecopter > Diamond Dynamo.

I usually won’t need to use the 3rd blockbuster at the end. If they just have a sliver of life before it, I usually just reset instead.

Mr_Peckerston · February 5, 2013, 4:55am

Recently I’ve been having fun in the corner doing raw j.HK, then airdashing and doing j.HP j.HK for a triple overhead. If the first j.HK hits, you can do the following combo (tested against Filia):

j.HK > airdash > j.HP > j.HK > land > jump >
j.HK > airdash > j.HP > j.HK > land >
s.MK > call Cerebella Lock n Load assist > s.HK > Lock n Load assist hits >
s.MP > s.HP > jump >
j.LK > j.MP > j.MK > HK airball > ground dash cancel >
s.LK > s.MK > s.HP > jump >
j.LP > j.MP > j.MK > HK airball > ground dash cancel >
s.LP > s.MP > s.HK > HP updo (then super and DHC and so on)

Does 10315 damage meterless with 1.00 damage ratio and doesn’t use an OTG

Tomo009 · February 5, 2013, 5:18am

And you could extend it more as well, with 3 air series using j.MK xx HK airball xx dash j.MP j.HK restand

Would ToD with a little meter use.

Mr_Peckerston · February 5, 2013, 5:30am

Yeah, that sounds about right. The 6 air normals at the start do about 5500 damage, and I just tagged a general unoptimised combo onto the end of it so there’s plenty of room for improvement.

A_Member_of_STARS · February 20, 2013, 1:43pm

could someone please notate Filia’s optimal Midscreen and Corner solo BnBs please? I would really appreciate it…or if someone could link me to a combo video with notations I would be really grateful. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to help me. I appreciate it<div><br></div>

kache · August 2, 2013, 5:27pm

All these combos still usable, or in this last year of development everything changed?

Pobega · August 3, 2013, 2:55am

Everything’s changed and all the combo threads have moved to skullheart.com, but that forum is down temporarily.

Essentially, your first air chain is the same (the j.LP j.MP j.MK airdash j.MP j.HK) and on the second one you have to use a dashcancelled air hairball to bring them back to the ground.

Vulpes · August 13, 2013, 6:23am

Use this: