No it’s not a troll thread and obviously your just in here to troll. Lets hear your ideas.
That post you quoted from me was not an attamped at trolling. Before you suggested anything, you may wanna do some research. And I mean, any kind of research as it seems obvious that you can’t even determined what a fighting game is other than the title of the game.
Because of how uneducated you are behind the scene and the genre itself, it’s best you actually look up more on the topic before suggesting such a brainless approach.
That’s definitely a possibility
You got a lot of nerve to tell ME to join in on your crazy ploy. The fighting game scene IS ALREADY ACCESSABLE AS IT IS. This has been the case for SOOO many years as well! Where have you been…?! What are you trying to pull?
… Have you ever played in a fighting game tournament before? I mean really - your ideas are hopelessly unrealistic and brainless!!
So is your problem with character balance, pros min/maxing, or just jealous of other community’s having tons of sponsors who are willing to pay $100,000’s in a tournament to help their game get exposure? Fact is, if FGTs were going to have the popularity to pull of these kinds of tournaments we would need to bring the sponsors back in time to the early to mid 90’s when FGs had hit their peak in popularity. But tournaments weren’t that big back then, nor were the prizes so large. This FGC has been about promoting and doing it ourselves without sponsors. It wasn’t til 5-6 years ago that sponsors started to shift their way towards us. But they haven’t come in the force that they come for other genre’s of games. Typically they help the tournament occur in a nicer hotel compared to an arcade, and maybe give a grand or 2 for tournament winners. Which is still nice. Though I’d have to think that if these sponsors were putting up these $100,000’s that they’d be more strict and demand more control over how the tournament was done. and for a community that has had the freedom to doing this however they want for the past 20 years to suddenly give that up so that the top .01% of players can make 10-100 times their current payouts isn’t something that would go over well.
Here are some great ideas:
- Conduct research on the fighting game scene, it’s premise, and it’s history so that you will no longer be as ignorant as you are
- Participate in fighting game tournaments yourself
- Don’t ever make threads like this again
He has an UMvC3 character as his/her avatar. It is obvious he knows nothing about fighting games.
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alright, this thread is silly but I feel like somebody should explain some things. first, starcraft and LoL have incredible developer support. Riot and Blizzard make tons of money and can put a lot into hiring strong Esports departments. The games also have more marketable products (i.e. PC hardware) and a far larger player base, which allow sponsors to get a lot more profit out of advertising. Esports leagues also heavily rely on venture capital to fund their huge events. Those three factors, from what I can tell, are what makes those scenes so large.
Second, about your “character ban” idea. Aside from the “adapt” argument, the simple fact is that fighting game characters are WAY more complex than MOBA characters. If you ban Hotshotgg’s (or whoever is good at LoL nowadays) favorite AD carry, he probably has a dozen others he knows how to play at a competitive level. If you ban Dieminion’s Guile or Ricky’s Rufus, you’ve just made an enormous blow to their chances of winning.
I want to know how many tournaments have the op participated in, i am not asking how many tournaments have he helped to organize cuz with the dumb shit that he proposed is clear that zero.
Start small and work your way up from there. All of these existing majors, EVO included, grew out of existing scenes - they didn’t spring up overnight. Get involved with your local scene and build it up. Get in touch with other groups around your region. If you want to run a side event at a tournament, talk to the TO about it. Don’t say, “Someone do this for me 'cause I think it’d be cool,” do it yourself.
We had a small scene going that started with 10 entrants and 2 games…
Eventually grew into 60 from up to 100 miles away, and 4 games…
Took 3 months, and we started from nowhere and a $31 grand prize for each game, and turned into a decent scene with $125+pots for bi-weeklies.
I don’t live there anymore, so I don’t know if it’s still going, but that’s what it was last June. We started in November of 2011.
@qoqonuts is absolutely correct.
smh…wish the new england danisen league didnt die
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Pro-Am and Japanese team tournaments sound awesome… Would love to play in a 3S pro-am tournament…
Now we’re elitists? Are you shitting me?
The simple fact that you ended with that mean you are a fucking dumbass…have you ever participated in a live fighting game tournament?
OP, how old are you?
NO, the bigger question is if he has ever participated in any form of education. No one who has read at least one book could come to the dumb conclusions he has since this morning.
What is it about the FGC where every new person that comes in immediately thinks they will be the messiah and bring fighting games to the promised land?
I mean I get it that you discover a sp00ky stream or a tournament and think “wow, this is cool, why didn’t I know about this before?” But why do people like the OP answer that with “it must be because all these people are morons, I’ll swing in and save them?”
Maybe it’s a white people thing…shoutouts to colonialism.
A-fucking-men.
The only way I can see the FGC growing is turning it into a profitable business. As much as I love our grassroots informal tournaments, the only way we can sustain the tournament scene is by making more money. Money makes the the world go round, money keeps the wheels turning, and from the several tournament organizers I’ve spoken too, they’ve all said that they have a net loss from running their local tournaments. The fixed (venue expense, consoles, tv’s) and variable (electricity from consoles, tv’s, etc) costs of running a tournament are too high for a $5 or $10 venue fee to cover. Although our contribution margin (Revenue minus the variable costs) might be in the positive, it’s really the fixed expenses that kills money, since taking into account only one station costs around $350 ($120 TV, $60 game, $200 console, give or take), and we have to count the rent of the venue, which for a whole weekend for a major must be immense. If we want tournaments to continue, we are going to have to accept that we have to pay more for these things to keep going.
Increasing pots is not the answer to attract more players. Although the prospect of winning $5,000 is very appealing, I’m sure at least half of the players who enter know that their chances of winning is not likely. So why do they come back? It’s because of the experience of going to a major, and that’s where I feel we should be focusing our attention: Not attracting the 5% top players who go to actually win the money, but the middle class of players who go to play, have fun and have a memorable experience. Yes, it is true that having multiple top players name’s on the trailers does attract more people to come, but is it enough to justify adding about $3000 to the prize? In other words, do you expect to gain $3000 worth of more money from the players who only decide to go because said top player decides to go? That’s not for me to say, since I don’t have all the numbers, but tournament organizers need to evaluate this in a business perspective.
Another idea, and although this may seem a bit outlandish, is that someone needs to approach Microsoft. Right now, we are amidst the situation of PS3’s not running FG’s well, but most majors still run with it with the main reason being it is EVO’s standard. If we can clearly present this to Microsoft and say “Right now PS3’s are the standard of Fighting games mainly because of the fact that EVO carries them. However, as of recent, the problem with PS3’s lagging under certain situations has become apparent in the FG scene, as well as the push to make XBOX the new tournament standard. If you sponsor EVO by giving/selling XBOX’s at a cheaper price, you automatically make the XBOX the standard for fighting games across the country. This would result in not only XBOX sales increasing, but you also take away sales from your competitor since there is a lesser need to buy a less-quality product solely for the sake that our largest, international Tournament still carries them.”
Another way to expose more people to the scene is by making tournaments not only for Fighting games, but for multiple genres of games. As someone said previously, there is tons of people who have never heard of fighting game tournaments. If we want our majors to include other genres, we don’t even have to buy the other games and incur further costs: just draw up a contract with the tournament organizers from the other genres, say “hey, we want to combine our tournaments together, we have a great venue lined up, both our scenes with gain extra exposure, and we can split the expenses,” and right there we can save money while bringing in more people. If we could have players come to our majors who play sports genres, or Call of Duty, and they see/hear the crowd hype of someone making a comeback/pulling off a swag combo, they’ll have a first hand experience of what the FGC is about.
With the issues of sponsors and Esports, I am kind of unsure about it. If I were a company and I did my research on the FGC, I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near this scene. As of now most of our sponsors have been limited to electronic equipment and energy drinks, because our customer base’s are similar. As brought up (in sort of a joking manner) in Texas Showdown, imagine if Domino’s pizza were to become a sponsor. I’m sure most people would agree that they would make a load of money, since in the hotel rooms that’s mainly what our diet in a major is made up of, outside of chinese and chicken wings. Just picture how easy this could be: Domino’s sponsors an event, we advertise the coupon code “FGC” that can be used on the phone and online that offers a discount on two large pizzas. Not only would the majority of people at the actual major itself would use this code, but even the stream monsters from around the US could show their support right at home by using this code to buy their pizza. Domino’s could get an exact number of the result of this sponsorship by tracking not only how many people use this code, but where they use this code. However, in order to appeal to these larger companies, we not only have to show that organizing these tournaments is a successful business venture, but we need the right person to actually get Domino’s attention, not just a regular employee. Jebailey has shown success this way by getting NOS on board, but we need more big tournament organizers to get involved in this. We can’t be an attractive prospect to many sponsors if we can’t show that we are generating a profit from organizing these tournaments.
TLDR: To keep tournaments alive and getting more people to come, we need to be more business oriented.
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I’m a recent college graduate from a large known university. Sorry I never read a book on fighting game tournaments during my studies???
Yes, I’m white.
Any other troll comments? or back to the discussion?