I confirm, doing wheel kicks against pretty much anyone is hella dangerous. I think the move is severely overrated, the ratio risk/reward is heavily against Ray. A move can’t be that good if it is owned by simply crouching, seriously…
On another note, I vouch for Zazie being 2nd best. Dash mixups are really too good, he has the best “anti okizeme” tools, pretty much nothing is safe against him if he is at 3/4 of the screen or less, has incredible pressure game, good(great?) defense, kills keepaway easily, might have the best anti air/srk type move(ratio risk/reward is excellent on dash hellfire since it can be done to be 100% safe), great pokes(st.C and ABCD are so good it’s not funny), best at stunning opponents, great chipping game… Seems to me that except Lee, no one have the upper hand against him or even ties with him.
Dash Hellfire >>>>>>>>>>>> Wheel Kick. Wheel Kick is really good, yes, but it’s a really good anti-air. For ground-to-ground situations it’s not that hot. Whiffing it against Lee, Jean or Zazie = GGPO.
On the other hand, Dash Hellfire is not only an excellent anti-air, but it also is retardedly good against grounded opponents. A shitload of invincibility, really safe on block, chip damage, etc… Zazie can win matches doing Dash Hellfire over and over and over and over and, as far as I know, most characters don’t have a response to that bullshit.
And I don’t see Lee having an upper hand against him… You can’t attack freely because Hellfire beats pretty much everything you stick out and Dash Hellfire in the corner means death, basically. If anyone has a solution against Dash Hellfire, then I would be glad to read it. But right now, after having played BRICKz / 409 a lot of times, I think Zazie rapes most if not all of the cast for free.
Problem against Lee is that he is one of the few chars that can really hurt zazie if the dash hellfire is not spaced right(Cr B, qcf P, yadda). And Zazie loses the poking game and the keepaway game. if Zazie gets close, he has the upper hand(I think) but it’s close, and from afar… Qcf p is far less risky that dash hellfire(safer, annoying followup, easier to do) and incredibly problematic to deal with for Zazie.
Regular Hellfire kills Lee’s offensive and Zazie can just spam Dash Hellfire over and over since there’s nothing Lee can do about it as far as I know. cr. B isn’t fast enough to catch Zazie out of his DH recovery from my experience, although lag may have something to do with that, perhaps.
Lag is the problem. Rays have trouble sweeping me after a wrongly spaced dash hellfire while it’s guaranteed. I played offline with a friend… and every whiffed regular hellfire or wrongly spaced dash hellfire was properly punished(against his Lee). When good punishing becomes a factor, Zazie just can’t randomly dash hellfire, which means one of his best offensive tools is done.
Little tip for anyone playing with Yungmie, since I main her. Her triangle jump is an over-looked move that can challenge ray’s zone and wheel game. She can go full screen far and fast and reach ray before he can recover from a potato sometimes, so you aren’t trying to anticipate the wheel kick all the time. Not to mention his sweep won’t be a factor. Its almost like you have a fireball as fast a Ray’s, since anytime he fires one he risk being hit by a triangle jump attack.
This is a fairly reliable answer to Ray potato’s and wheels, plus you have to have some inept ability to know when he is going to throw one at you. A little bit better than just hopping over them and getting swept.
If worse comes to worst you can record the inputs in NFBA then just record the inp file playback in hypercam or camstasia/whatever. I’m assuming you will be using emulators for the tourney.
I can record the matches but it also depends on what people prefer to play the game on. I think on emu would be best so everyone can use their own sticks and what not. We can do it on the neogeo AES/MVS but people will have to adapt to the layout it comes with, unless no one minds that issue. We can also do it on the Saturn version if anything else is too much of a pain. I’ll see about getting some PSX to Saturn converters for that. If there isn’t enough people for a tourmanet we can always just record casuals at the most.
