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I can’t jump into background in Garou so no, I can’t play it like traditional FF.

Go to the another lane? I just press D, oh no you just got hit with an unblockable…

In other words nobody cares and no one misses it.

I miss it. I liked using it.

Lane switching was kinda’ worthless. I think it had some use in Real Bout 2 though, I think you could do it on wakeup, plus it was gdlk with Duck King and Sokaku.

I always thought lane shifting was a silly mechanic. I get it was FF’s gimmick, but I was more than happy to see it gone in Garou.

Personally I prefer Garou over 3S. I just couldn’t get into the SFIII series.

Karnov is a good game but it looks outdated, even more so than ST and KOF98. I’ll admit its better than ST in some aspects but the fact that its a rip-off of street fighter (which i personally dont have a problem with) doesn’t help because it looks like a poorly made version of Street Fighter.

Oh hey a game made back int he 90s looks outdated, discovery of the year.

Plenty of games still being played today were made in the 90’s. ST doesn’t look too outdated, neither does kof 98. Graphically Karnov is inferior to these games.

ST is much greater than Karnov
Garou is better than 3s

My opinion.

Graphically Karnov is pretty awful, gameplay is what matters most but even compared to SF2 World warrior it doesn’t match up. Compare it to games around its time like vampire savior, Samurai shodown IV, x-men vs street fighter, etc. and it’s just pitiful.

Your opinion is correct.

You just compared a game that came out in 94 to games that came out years later on much better hardware. Niggas wearing those rose tinted glasses tight when it comes to ST.

ST was a template for most fighters…if it ain’t broken why fix it right.

The reason I give karnov the edge over ST is because the games are nearly identical except karnov fixes the random factor of ST which IMO makes it a more solider entry.

It’s not by much of a gap, but I do believe it is functionally a better fighter by virtue of design.

I still contend that KOF98 is the crowing achievement of SNK which I feel very few 2D fighters match up to.

As for Karnov it’s on better hardware than the CPS2. Not saying which game is better. The only thing CPS2 had better than Neogeo was the Stereo PCM support from Q-Sound.

Might as well end this debate about which hardware was better. Simple answer Taito F3.

Lets look how the memory is handled on the two systems.

Main Memory is pretty much the same just different places.
Neo Geo had it at 0x100000 through 0x10FFFF.
CPS2 was 0xFF0000 till there was nothing left 0xFFFFFF.
Which is fine and dandy for extra sprites or moving the encryption to phoenix games.

Here is the first huge difference between the two how main program roms is loaded into it.
CPS2 could only do 4 megs of programming.
Neo Geo could do 10 megs plus more by expanding after the main memory.

GFX ram
I’ll put it simple. Since, I haven’t worked on Neo Geo that much graphic wise.
Neo Geo 256 Palettes 15 Bit color.
CPS2 128 Palettes 12 Bit color.

Now sound they’re both on Z80 chips. And it comes down to Yamaha synthesis and some PCMs vs straight up Stereo PCM samples.
PCMs are clearer on CPS2 the Q-Sound stereo is nice but you really can’t make techno sounds like you could on Yamaha.

It really comes down to how you master the hardware. Which the composers instrument selection on songs show. SNK composers used more synthesis on their songs as Capcom composers went with horns and strings instruments.

My opinion:

Mechanics wise, 3S is superior. But I have more fun playing Garou.

KOF 98 is so fun, I love that game. In my opinion, it is Top 3 one of SNK’s best fighting games.

I don’t like the lane shift from older FF titles, it’s a gimmick to me and it doesn’t do much imo.

3s is my favourite ST game but I suppose what I appreciate from garou is that it has more variance in the styles of play…3s can sometimes revolve all around low forward at high level.

Karnov was on better hardware than CPS2 and it looks the way it does, lol.

I wonder if Capcom is actually short on funds after all…

Sorry got the years mixed up, nonetheless those Capcom games were on CVS2 inferior hardware as the stats provided by jedpossum show. Some 1994 games that look about a zillion times better than Karnov.

  1. ST
  2. Darkstalkers: The Night Warriors
  3. Samurai Shodown 2
  4. Killer Instinct
  5. King of Fighters '94
  6. X-Men children of the Atom

You forgot Rise of the Robots nigga.

I used to lane shift in Jubei’s stage and hide behind those portraits. Oh you’re gonna lane shift through the portrait? Nope, You didn’t see me charging down with Kim, so you can take this Flash kick.

Did Garou have crouch walking? IIRC it didn’t.