FGD Lounge: for general fighting game discussions that aren't thread worthy

[Hecatom]

I’m not saying you need to start with ST - just that the simpler a game is, the shorter the learning curve, and thus you get palpable results more quickly, that’s all.

It’s like starting someone off with GG. Sure, it’d work, but throwing someone into a game with something as complex as FRCs might not be the best idea. If the person is learning GG with the express intent of playing GG (as opposed to fighting games in general), that’s okay, but if the newbie’s just trying to learn how fighting games work, I say start with something simpler.

LMAO
The problem with that logic is that they are not learning the game that they want to learn but other that they probably don’t give a shit about. If they are interested on Marvel, then you teach them in marvel, if they are interested in Tekken then tekken will be.
I have a lot of friends that learned all their fundamentals precisely on GG. And of course that you don’t teach them about the FRC from the beginning, you move gradually to that point.
You teach the players on the game(s) that they are interested, not on the ones that you deem as “simplier”.

You make a good point about FRCs, but you missed something else I said: If someone’s trying to learn a specific fighting game, I have no problem with that. All I was saying is that if the newbie has no preference as to which game to start with, it’d be a good idea to start them off with something simpler.

From my experience teaching FG’s, i have never seen someone showing interest on the genre but not in a particular game, they always want to start on a very specific game that catched their attention.
It could be the game from an anime, a game that they saw on a tournament or saw someone else playing.

My little nephew started showing interest on GG, MK9 and MVC3, now he is moving into DOA5 and SCV for 3d games and P4A
He was six when he started playing FG’s btw.

[tataki]

Do any of you guys ever get the feeling that all the dudes shitting on fighting game people are the ones that couldn’t hang in arcades?

I just see them as mini-jack thompsons. People who in general are looking for scapegoats to blame for everything and who can’t tolerate the mere existence of things they don’t personally like, and choose their victims based on relative lack of popularity.

[CaptainGinyu]

I’m not saying you need to start with ST - just that the simpler a game is, the shorter the learning curve, and thus you get palpable results more quickly, that’s all.

It’s like starting someone off with GG. Sure, it’d work, but throwing someone into a game with something as complex as FRCs might not be the best idea. If the person is learning GG with the express intent of playing GG (as opposed to fighting games in general), that’s okay, but if the newbie’s just trying to learn how fighting games work, I say start with something simpler.

LMAO
The problem with that logic is that they are not learning the game that they want to learn but other that they probably don’t give a shit about. If they are interested on Marvel, then you teach them in marvel, if they are interested in Tekken then tekken will be.
I have a lot of friends that learned all their fundamentals precisely on GG. And of course that you don’t teach them about the FRC from the beginning, you move gradually to that point.
You teach the players on the game(s) that they are interested, not on the ones that you deem as “simplier”.

You make a good point about FRCs, but you missed something else I said: If someone’s trying to learn a specific fighting game, I have no problem with that. All I was saying is that if the newbie has no preference as to which game to start with, it’d be a good idea to start them off with something simpler.

From my experience teaching FG’s, i have never seen someone showing interest on the genre but not in a particular game, they always want to start on a very specific game that catched their attention.
It could be the game from an anime, a game that they saw on a tournament or saw someone else playing.

My little nephew started showing interest on GG, MK9 and MVC3, now he is moving into DOA5 and SCV for 3d games and P4A
He was six when he started playing FG’s btw.

Hetacom training the next Daigo :).

[d3v]

Train 'em in whatever, just as long as what you train them in doesn’t teach them bad habits.

[Evolution169]

I’m curious, what was the general reception of Star Gladiator/Plasma Sword?

[Sexperienced]

To me it was better than Soul Calibur. Unfortunately its a series that Capcom will never revive because they’re idiots.

[Mad_Mistress]

I’m curious, what was the general reception of Star Gladiator/Plasma Sword?

I never played the first one but played Plasma Sword on Dreamcast. I liked it, though have no idea how it holds up to proper competitive play. Some of the character designs were pretty cool and at least the clone characters had different supers.

Sexperienced is right, Capcom will never revive it because Ryu isn’t in it.

[CaptainGinyu]

To me it was better than Soul Calibur. Unfortunately its a series that Capcom will never revive because they’re idiots.

I don’t think it’s idiotic to not release a sequel to a little known fighting game without substantial market research questioning how much profit could be made from doing such a thing.

[Sexperienced]

Little known? lol

[d3v]

To me it was better than Soul Calibur. Unfortunately its a series that Capcom will never revive because they’re idiots.

I’m curious, what was the general reception of Star Gladiator/Plasma Sword?

I never played the first one but played Plasma Sword on Dreamcast. I liked it, though have no idea how it holds up to proper competitive play. Some of the character designs were pretty cool and at least the clone characters had different supers.

Sexperienced is right, Capcom will never revive it because Ryu isn’t in it.

How about instead of just tossing around salty opinions, someone actually answer the question at hand and tell us about how it was actually received in the arcades back in the day.

[YusukeUrameshi]

I bought a copy of DOA 4 for $10 and I gave it and 2 other games to my sister and her bf today since they have a 360. I played with them, and I have limited DOA experience, all around 9 hours at the extreme most playing the 1st and 2nd games together. I beat my sister’s bf and his sister 3 times each, and they didnt want to play after that. Theyre around 20, and had nothing but FPS games in their apartment.

What do you guys do when playing people who only play FPS games and are new to fighting games?

People who play FPS tend to not like fighters because there is an execution barrier. Not really much of a “Pick up and beast” genre. COD players are the worst offenders of this.

[system]

I’m not saying you need to start with ST - just that the simpler a game is, the shorter the learning curve, and thus you get palpable results more quickly, that’s all.

It’s like starting someone off with GG. Sure, it’d work, but throwing someone into a game with something as complex as FRCs might not be the best idea. If the person is learning GG with the express intent of playing GG (as opposed to fighting games in general), that’s okay, but if the newbie’s just trying to learn how fighting games work, I say start with something simpler.

LMAO
The problem with that logic is that they are not learning the game that they want to learn but other that they probably don’t give a shit about. If they are interested on Marvel, then you teach them in marvel, if they are interested in Tekken then tekken will be.
I have a lot of friends that learned all their fundamentals precisely on GG. And of course that you don’t teach them about the FRC from the beginning, you move gradually to that point.
You teach the players on the game(s) that they are interested, not on the ones that you deem as “simplier”.

This.

The logic that teaching ST to help build you’re overall awareness of fighting games is both flawed and impractical. ST will only teach you the basics of ST style games but it won’t help whatsoever in learning tekken or VF outside shared terminology.

[Hawkingbird]

I’m not saying you need to start with ST - just that the simpler a game is, the shorter the learning curve, and thus you get palpable results more quickly, that’s all.

It’s like starting someone off with GG. Sure, it’d work, but throwing someone into a game with something as complex as FRCs might not be the best idea. If the person is learning GG with the express intent of playing GG (as opposed to fighting games in general), that’s okay, but if the newbie’s just trying to learn how fighting games work, I say start with something simpler.

LMAO
The problem with that logic is that they are not learning the game that they want to learn but other that they probably don’t give a shit about. If they are interested on Marvel, then you teach them in marvel, if they are interested in Tekken then tekken will be.
I have a lot of friends that learned all their fundamentals precisely on GG. And of course that you don’t teach them about the FRC from the beginning, you move gradually to that point.
You teach the players on the game(s) that they are interested, not on the ones that you deem as “simplier”.

This.

The logic that teaching ST to help build you’re overall awareness of fighting games is both flawed and impractical. ST will only teach you the basics of ST style games but it won’t help whatsoever in learning tekken or VF outside shared terminology.

Only an idiot will play a 2D game to try to learn to a 3D game.

[CanadianDstryr]

Calling FPS a “pick up and beast” genre is a little unfair, as you’re essentially comparing tournament level Street Fighter to j.hk, c.hk level FPS.

Now I’m not going to lie and say I don’t think current FPS isn’t bitchmade compared to games at the beginning of this console cycle and earlier, but if you want to win at a tournament level in FPS, you can’t win without top shelf teamwork and communication.

I would definitely agree the individual effort in FPS isn’t even close to that of fighters, but you can’t just make a blanket statement suggesting FPS is such an easy genre. It’s just a different skillset.

It’s like in a fighting game, at tournament level, both players are going to finish their combos, and the winner is decided by the player who reliably puts himself in an advantageous position. In tournament level FPS its very much the same. Everyone can hit their shots, but which team controls the map better?

[system]

FPS requires no skill.

[Lord_Raptor]

FPS requires no skill.

Just as scrubby as people who say fightign games are button mashers.

[Evolution169]

FPS requires no skill.

I suspect you’re jumping on the CoD hate bandwagon, but if you’re not, jump on Quake Live and pwn the shit out of everyone. Go ahead, should be easy, right?

[YusukeUrameshi]

I’m not saying you need to start with ST - just that the simpler a game is, the shorter the learning curve, and thus you get palpable results more quickly, that’s all.

It’s like starting someone off with GG. Sure, it’d work, but throwing someone into a game with something as complex as FRCs might not be the best idea. If the person is learning GG with the express intent of playing GG (as opposed to fighting games in general), that’s okay, but if the newbie’s just trying to learn how fighting games work, I say start with something simpler.

LMAO
The problem with that logic is that they are not learning the game that they want to learn but other that they probably don’t give a shit about. If they are interested on Marvel, then you teach them in marvel, if they are interested in Tekken then tekken will be.
I have a lot of friends that learned all their fundamentals precisely on GG. And of course that you don’t teach them about the FRC from the beginning, you move gradually to that point.
You teach the players on the game(s) that they are interested, not on the ones that you deem as “simplier”.

This.

The logic that teaching ST to help build you’re overall awareness of fighting games is both flawed and impractical. ST will only teach you the basics of ST style games but it won’t help whatsoever in learning tekken or VF outside shared terminology.

Only an idiot will play a 2D game to try to learn to a 3D game.

That’s not entirely true. Skills you learn like spacing, patience, reading your opponent and not going on auto-pilot translate to every fighter regardless of what it is.

[system]

FPS requires no skill.

Just as scrubby as people who say fightign games are button mashers.

Are you going to honestly argue COD,battlefield,halo and virtually every mainstream FPS requires legitimate skill to win?

[YusukeUrameshi]

FPS requires no skill.

Just as scrubby as people who say fightign games are button mashers.

Are you going to honestly argue COD,battlefield,halo and virtually every mainstream FPS requires legitimate skill to win?

Battlefield does require teamwork and tactics. It’s not really a “Dudebro” shooter.

Shooters aren’t as in depth as fighters but I could see why people would like them and learn them. To be semi decent at any genre or anything for that matter it takes a certain amount of skill and knowledge. That’s just the way it is.