Here is my first video, I would have recorded more but it slows my game down too much on the pc. So for now all Ive got is my most recent championship upload. Let me know what you guys think.
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nosone why do that instead of a cl.mp or cr.mp which both give you actual pressure and are easy hitconfirms into more damaging combos? just saying
hotdawg I’ve read your post 3 times now and what I can gather is something about pressuring and -2 is pretty good and doing tech throws against the character with the 2nd best command throw in the game.
Ballatician nice video only one question. The second time you interrupted your rekkas you did hk, was that a missed tenshin or did you try to counter a jump? Good stuff but I would advise against interrupting your own rekkas like that more than once in a real match.
It’s a different form of pressure.
Sure there’s potential off a confirmed close MP, but if the opponent blocks the jump-in then the MP will be blocked too (unless you delay, which makes it less safe especially since you’re in TT range). Due to the push-back from this move, your only option then is to back off and try again or trying light pokes to confirm a combo. This isn’t exactly a mix-up to confuse Abel, just a chance at damage. cr.MP is similar, with less stun and a smaller window to take advantage of on hit.
Blocking the CW forces Abel to take chip or a cross-up if he’s crouch-blocking. When canceled off the close MK, you leave a 3-frame gap for Abel to commit to an attack (by some habit of jab-spamming, or other action) without actually having enough time to launch it, or with close HP you paralyze him entirely. On hit (which is easy to confirm due to 3 hits giving audio/visual confirmation), your mix-ups become tighter. On block, you stay safe by means of retreating should you feel like it. If you bothered to add throws and pokes in between your CWs, you make it less obvious as to what you want to do, and blah blah blah this goes into that CW argument that we hate to hear.
Damage potential off of MK CW is lower, but mix-up opportunities are greater
If you think that cl.mp isn’t confusing then how obvious isn’t a CW that’s blocked three times? Also +3 = pressure
Being at -2 and randoming between flame kicks and throws (according to that Chun I know and you played against that’s your mixup) isn’t exactly a good mixup.
I think it’s important to note that Abel’s cl.hp is 4 frames so the only thing to beat that is to flame kick or hk cw, it’s a two hitter so the second will hit the mk cw for a reset(?).
Not a single good player would mash buttons after being hit by a cl.mk and it doesn’t combo on crouching either and in which case it acts more like a escape move.
Okay Bubblan, let’s assess the situation again. Now answer me this: At -2, what can Abel possible do to punish you? He knows that you can simply dash back or jump neutral to make him whiff Tornado throw or that you flamekick him or flamekick FADC > CW so he’s not gonna be really eager to retaliate. Like you said, good Abel players won’t be mashing buttons. Most likely, he’ll wait and see what you do next or try an EX tornado throw or an EX roll to get away but guess what? CW beats it and also keeps the pressure going…also if he rolls, you can easily throw him on reaction. Once you get him to the corner, he’ll try jumping neutral HK or jumping whatever but you can top him with flamekick or he’ll want to get out and roll so you counter with throw. Now he’s stuck and he’s gonna have to try something risky such as an EX tornado throw all the while having to deal with your offense meaning overhead kicks, tenshin, Flamekick FADC, CW, etc…that’s what you gotta do in this fight. You make him do stupid stuff and then you punish. If he doesn’t try anything risky, then you still win…you’re doing chip damage and gaining meter at the same time.
And then he jump back LP/MP/HP and BOOM straight in your CW.
It’s time to stop thinking that CW is godlike.
Soy you’re gonna counter throws with flame kick/CW and counter rolls with throw/CW(which btw gets Abel a free ultra) brilliant strategy dude.
I just criticized nosone for relying to much on flame kick/throw mixups but you’ve just raised that strategy to a whole new level of stupidity.
No offense but maybe you ppl should discuss it in another thread, I feel the abel matchup thread perfect for it. Peace for you all
Ugh, you make my head hurt. I’m not sure whether it’s too much for you to grasp or you’re reactions are too slow but it’s obvious you cannot execute this strategy so I don’t even know why you bother reading it. After a blocked CW, you have way more options than Abel does do you not? If you do CW, you beat Abel’s backdash, tornado throw, close basics. One move beats 3 of his options…you do the math. Once he knows this, he’ll likely stop trying to do either of those 3 meaning he’ll either trying rolling or jumping back which you can beat also with throw or flamekick or a jumping attack of your own. Or heck, you can simply backdash after a blocked CW and be totally safe and if he whiffs a tornado throw or does a roll, you get free punish. Is that too hard to understand? Obviously when and if Abel gets an ultra, you gotta be more careful…use some common logic man. Also, CW upclose will go entirely over Abel’s ultra which leaves him very vulnerable. I’ve had numerous Abel’s try to do that only to get punished…only time they can get you is if you do CW too far but as I’ve said time and time again, you’re not supposed to do it FAR!!! Common logic man…it’ll do you some good. Honestly, I don’t care if you think CW sucks…you’re simply limiting yourself not me so by all means, go ahead.
hahaha I will never stop getting teased for “having too slow reactions to spam CW”.
LorteBudding this stuff is exactly what the video threads are for:rofl:
… using the Chun match-up 
I’ll admit, CW mix-ups are less effective against Chun because she has more options than Abel (Hazanshu, EX Bird, EX Legs, faster normals, etc.), but I wasn’t advocating its use against Chun. Yes, I spaced poorly in those Chun fights. Yes, I was being overly aggressive with CW. And yes, I was getting punished for it. I don’t see how that makes CW useless against Abel.
And it’s not just CW, Flame Kick, Throw–footsies come into play with the mix-ups as well. It’s virtually zero-gamble if you want to be safe. MK CW> back dash on block. MK CW> cr.LK footsies on hit (or back dash/retreat jump to be safe since EX TT and EX CoD can still get you if you jab). The number of times you throw out CW is up to your level of comfort. If you think it’s a completely obvious strategy, then don’t do more than 1 CW at a time and cancel them whenever you can–just back off or push away with jabs to be safe.
Use it a lot, use it a little, or don’t use it at all. Whatever works for you.
[edit] But yeah, this belongs in the Abel thread.
You describe your post CW mixup on Abel in a similar way so I’m just assuming from that.
The only reason you’re using CW extra much vs Abel is that he can’t crouch it but still he can easily cause it to whiff by whiffing a low and then get a free cr.mp CoD so really what’s your argument as to why it’s so good vs Abel?
Thanks.
Yeah the second intterupted rekka was a missed tenshin. I tend to agree with you on that notion of not doing that more than once, but this player I honestly had a feeling wasn’t going to try and stop it. Basically I was lucky I could land it on that guy for free a few times.
Gotta start uploadin more now.
Actually a LK CW won’t cause you to go over Abel. :arazz:
So the new mixup is to do LK CW when they try to counter the MK CW?
Guys, we took time to create threads for every match-ups, so WHY are you still messing with CW vs Abel in this thread ?
Vids from me at a local session.
There was a tourney we could not finish because we ran out of time. (Team and single)
Unfortunately, some of the finalists could not come so we end up having some kind of challenge fighting each other. Some vids are missing, dunno if they’ll be uploaded later
[media=youtube]mp8Haz51PzA[/media] Me vs Kilivan (Zangief)
[media=youtube]lhmP2LEGyiU[/media] Me vs Renegad (Boxer)
[media=youtube]oJozFzMDDWY[/media] Me vs Yamasaki93 (Ryu)
I ended 1st tied with Kilivan. We went for an other match and I won (basically because I started to punish every Lariats with rekkas).
Very nice StarNab…loved how you actually used Chicken Wings AHEM unlike someone. LOL anyhow, really good patient Fei Long you got there. Kilivan is pretty tough…fought him a couple of times and I usually always lose. I’m just too damn impatient. =(
Damn, that Zangief is a really tough one. I’m getting more problems in this match up lately too, with one of his best tool, FA, is crippled, as well as cw.
btw, another G1 final against a Zangief from me:
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Capcom really needs to let us save replays whenever we want, so not only the finals can be saved. There are alot more matches that are more interesting. I wish I could record them.
im proud of you