As quoted from the latest Yang dev blog, the next dev blog(s) will focus on the changes to to the existing 35 characters in SSF4 for the Arcade Edition. Looking forward to more than a couple sentences for Fei this time around :razz:
Are you sure it’s “to” in the frame data and not start and “reach”? I know I whiff a lot more using cr. mk then I do cr. mp. Something I’ll look into when I get home. Either way, Shoto cr.mk is better than Fei’s.
@jason24cf & Nyoronoru. Chill. Just because you asked a few questions at a fanfare doesn’t make you some sort of god. Try actually comparing the move to others and you will see it is lacking as it currently is. Without the ability to cancel it, it has bad recovery. 1 frame slower than Ryu’s cr.mk? Ryu can cancel it into Fireball for pushback effect so that 1 frame means more than just “1 frame” (and this argument is viable for every character that can cancel into a safe move which is a large majority of the cast). The move by itself is average but it lacks opportunity which makes it fall far below average. Don’t just think of individual properties but how it flows into the next attack. What I’m saying is, you’re not seeing the forest through the trees (yes I know the saying “trees through the forest” but this is to illustrate when you miss the surroundings by concentrating too much on one thing without looking at the whole).
I’m not saying every character should have all their holes plugged but when playing footsies which is where you could mostly use it (cr. mk), it’s a crappy move. Fei is a character that needs to walk forward to do damage. His weakness is and should be being zoned by ranged attacks, not because he can’t capitalize when he’s “in the face of the opponent”. If they do make cr. mk cancellable, that’s no longer a problem but until they do it is a weakness that can be exploited by a smart opponent. Ignoring the problem or denying it’s weak because you’re a fan of the character doesn’t help your gameplay.
It ain’t weak though bro. Try using it against characters other than Ryu. As a matter of fact, the hurtbox shrinkage of the move is better than Ryu’s cr.MK.
If they make it cancelable they’re going to nerf the properties that make it so good against characters like Chun-Li and Ibuki. Then it basically forces me to get in on these characters using garbage guesses.
I can’t wait either man. I hope they make the right decisions for Fei.
Thanks for the data man.
What gives you this idea? Did I ever proclaim myself as one? I did something for the forum. I got facts and reported them here for everyone. Instead of everyone speculating on what would be done I paid and took my daughter with me to get answers for us the “FORUM” I don?t know where you get the idea that I am sort of a self proclaimed “GOD” All I still read even after I reported this change is that people want “more changes” Again I go back to what Seth said “we are not going fixed every characters flaws” I mentioned Starnab and Inthul because they are 2 of the top 3 Fei Longs players in the world. They both said to me “Fei doesn?t need buffs but we like the additions but we worry what will get nerfed in return” I also am working on getting a interview with Mago to ask how he feels about these talked about additions.
Again how does this make me a “GOD” in your eyes? I did something for the forum and I have only been a member for a short while. I feel good that I was able to contribute something to these forums that have helped me in return. Enough with the BS already, Fei is fine the way he is and he is going to get 2 additions. What needs to stop is all the talk about asking for new additions. Yes these things will make Fei better but where is the challenge in that? If Mago continues the tear he is on and other Fei Long’s pick up his link. Think about the nerfs Fei will get then?
So again I don?t think I am a GOD, I am doing something good for the community here. If you don?t see that then I don?t know what to tell you. Im still a nobody (NOT A GOD) who is still doing something positive for the community.
Idk whats happening,i thought Jason and rpgr was happy about the cr.mk buff?
Mommy I’m scared… There’s too much yelling! :sad:
Haha Nosone u free right now?maybe we can finally get some matches in.
I am happy about it the cr.mk>rekka. I just dont understand the personal attack calling me a “GOD”. I dont know what else to say. I got enough hatemail in my inbox here on SRK as well as on my XBL and PSN profile, it reaches a point where enough is enough with the attacks.
At work currently, but gimme 40 min? Out around then.
Hey God! What’s going on man?
What can I do for you my son? Make it quick because I have bigger issues at hand with like the world coming to an end in 2012 and I have billions of prayers to answer too as well as figure out what I am going to do with nukes and stuff like that. I will get back to earth sometime soon and have an interview with Mago2god in the next week or so. Being GOD and all I won?t need an interpreter to communicate with him as I am the all mighty one.
Did what I could, ended up playing inthul in my bracket and get destroyed as I didn’t practice the fei mirror enough. I knew I’d get owned once he told me he practiced the mirror match for 2 weeks straight before SB. Then after this I had to play lud in losers so team DMG eliminated me lol. Was a fun experience I’m glad I lost to players I knew that were better than me. I got 4th or 5th.
Team tourney was mixed, notable games, I played mike ross and got bodied, honestly dunno what was going on as lack of sleep and alcohol may have been a factor, but not that I would have done any better as he is just too good.
Was happy to hear that teams got pushed back to sunday so I could get some sleep. First team we had to play was against team empire (lincoln, kreymore, and andre). I OCC them and then lose to a team after that we should have beat which is disappointing.
Got to see starnab play and take Canada’s money a bit at a hotel room, but unfortunately I got there as he was leaving so we couldn’t play.
Looks like i’m done with SF again until EVO.
Hope other fei players do well in future tournaments.
Jeez Raylong… That old that you need a long break in between fights? 
I was looking forward to more of your play; there are few Feis that rep him well and I think you do that very nicely.
hey Rey, i was really mad at u for not anti airing Mike Ross, he was jump happy as hell on u. but nonetheless props on that reverse ocv i heard about.
add me up on live so that Fei mirror is mastered, i got a few tricks to show u
Yeah the old age is hurting me lol.
lol, I think I was trying to DP, but I was just too slow, I honestly don’t remember much of the match, I gotta look it up and see how bad I did.
Fine whatever, anyways as I said, I went back to do lab testing and effectively, cr. mk has a slightly longer reachbox BUT and here’s the “but” and why I have a better chance of not whiffing cr. mk is the variable/moving high/mid hitbox of characters’ standing animations make it vulnerable to cr. mp but not cr. mk by a good margin. Also of note is the fact that I can’t “inch up” to a cornered opponent and whiff cr. mp while hitting cr. mk (I can only if the opponent isn’t cornered).
Last evening I realized that j.lk (and j.lp too) is a nice air to air tool with reset property. The reset is nice because you can then choose to place youself (simply walking, no dash) in front or behind the opponent before he lands and it’s very difficult for him, if not impossible, to establish where you will be. However it is necessary to hit the opponent during the non-descending jumping arc.
Have you guys ever seen Mayas2 play ? i’ve just got to ask one thing …how the fuck does that guy beat top japanese players while playing so recklessly and carelessly. When i face a good player i know the only way i will win is if i play 100 % safe ,meaning safe blockstrings , well spaced rekkas/chickenwings , evading mixups through backdashing and Chicken wing ,only flame kicking while having meter etc etcetc… . But this guy does not give a fuck , go through like 10-20 of his matches and you will see what i mean . I am seriously confused here lol , this guy does some stupid shit but it always works …why does it work
I assume this usually comes with respect to the other players skills, usually you would think that a decent player wouldn’t do something reckless like a wakeup DP, so you would try to do a meaty attack and then get hit by the wakeup.
The flamekick after CW is just a guess for a 50/50 not sure if he’s setting it up by doing cw throw a few times to condition his opponent so later on he would just CW x DP because the other guy is expecting a throw.
Something I notice about Japanese players from countless videos and streams is that if the other player doesn’t have meter to FADC an SRK, they don’t expect it coming. This is probably from months and years of playing SF4 against high-level players that prefer to be safe by waiting out pressure than by forcing the pressure to stop via a Flame Kick or SRK.
TBH, it’s a better idea to wait it out since you can be punished pretty bad. But knowing this, you can exploit that expectation and do random shit in battle as well. Daigo does random SRKs too–you can say that he set them up, read the opponent, and what not, but ultimately launching a 3-frame move that is totally unsafe on block, without meter to FADC, and when the opponent hasn’t given you an obvious opening yet is totally random. It’s a guess, but depending on the situation it can be an educated guess at the very least.