Fei Long Theory Fighter/General Discussion

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701

Lol upgrade your shit. I wish I could head down to Evo, but it just comes as horrible timing with my new job. Gotta actually show up those first few days and look like I’ll be a valuable employee lol.

ECT3 next weekend! Who’s going?? I’ll probably be there with a few friends.

702

nice Kobra your going to ECT3, a lot of my friends (Montreal crew) are going there as well. Try to hit up some games against them

703

Yup all set with my ticket and everything. I’ll def get some matches in with them. You’re not going though?

704

Watched Shadowloo all day today. Mago had tough luck against Mike Ross. Totally in control of the final round of the final match and inexplicably decides to jump, eating a full Ultra on his way down, both players down to chip and he CW’s for the 50/50 and ross counters with an EX HB to counter the throw attempt.

He must have been gutted. I noticed him using the sweep combo the majority of the time against Yun in earlier matches.

Tell you what though, Mike Ross is a God at reacting to punish with Super or Ultra.

705

i was looking forward to picking up fei long i was wondering if anybody could help me out i play on xbl B RaBBiiTT

706

honda match is still tough. despite what the rest of srk will tell you

707

I’m going to start using those sweep combos more. Untechable knockdowns is good to set up safe jumps. I got Fei’s bnb combos down but I need to add that to my arsenal.

708

Yo, I just came back from ECT3. After playing Henry Cen’s Honda (which I’ve played online many times as well), IMO this is still true for AE. Fei’s basically forced to take some sort of risk to beat Honda since he can inch up and cr.LP xx Hands or punish/reverse pressure any blocked Rekka with that. To gain a real advantage Fei needs to do something like a blank jump in or chance some 50-50 setup.

Rekka punishes are great, but without EX and against a careful Honda (one that doesn’t use a lot of st.HK/Headbutts), there aren’t any chances to do them. I was able to out footsie Cen’s Honda to take a match, but following that, he turned Turtle-mode on and it became a matter of who was the first one to make a risky bet. I failed on that part and lost, but it was a lesson well learned. I wouldn’t call the match “bad” for Fei in the sense that its disadvantageous, but I’ll say it’s close to even–maybe 5.5-4.5, advantage Fei on account of his greater damage output for his risk.

In any case, this isn’t a “traditional” Fei match where he can sit tight and shut down any option with Rekka or trap his opponent in the corner for free. He’s gotta do something and that opens him up.

709

Yeah, I find the match pans out better if you get in, do some damage and get out. Equally it would be the same for Honda but easier for him to lame it out.

Who ever can get a 30-40% life lead is better off just laying back IMO, all you have to worry about from Honda at that point is FADC Orochi throws. it’s just getting that initial damage. The only problem with that tactic is he will then whiff throws to build meter, so your at a “will I” “won’t I” type scenario.

I find Honda’s threat of an EX butt reversal too great to take big risks, plus against good Honda’s they will auto correct that shit all day off a cross up.

710

i’d agree with that, but most of srk will tell you its 7-3 fei, like every other match lol.

who else did you lose to? if you dont mind my asking?

711

I was in the “Guard Crush Pool” where there was Min, Cen, Dieminion, and a few other people from the NYC area. I don’t think I would’ve made it out alive considering Dieminion made 4th and Min made 7th overall, but that would’ve been so cool lol.

I lost to Min first, then Cen after. I was really hoping for a Fei mirror because of my experience in that, but he made the smarter choice going with Bison. He played really turtley, just the way Bison should be played. No disrespect to him, but I was expecting more carelessness (which was careless on my part) so I just sat back being patient, waiting for something dumb like a jump-in, unsafe scissors, or slides. I just got chipped and out-footsied in that match because of that and barely made any offensive maneuvers aside from some CWs to get in. I wouldn’t say I did anything stupid like random Flame Kicks or unsafe moves; I just didn’t do anything smart either.

Overall I’d say I played too cautious at ECT, with it being my first major and all. Definitely learned that I have to be more aggressive against certain players to win. Starting tomorrow though, I’ll be a full-time Manhattan dweller so I’ll be going to Guard Crush and other events to get more experience against these guys. I could really use it.

712

Yeah me and Kenny were chilling at ECT3. I didnt have such a hard pool but I did much better then CEO I was 1 win away from losers Semi-finals. I was on the stream for that match and it was like 1:50 am and I did some real stupid XBL stuff and lost to a Chun player. Kenny was there helping me out. All in all the event was a mess. Waiting around for over 12 hrs to start my pool was a mess. With Kenny now in NYC we can head over to guard crush together and rep the Fei movement. Also im taller in person lol.

713

lol

714

Yeah Kenny tells me “your much taller in person” I reply “I get that a lot LOL”

715

Lol i speak the truth :stuck_out_tongue:

716

Ouch I found my match on the stream and damn I really pissed on myself. I am so upset, yeah i was tired and such but I am better then this. At least I wasnt killed that hard on the stream by TS Sabin. So go to the 1:37 mark to see my bone head play :frowning: http://www.justin.tv/teamsp00ky/b/288873421

717

im not gonna go too deep into things. you know what mistakes you made.

but you should try to be more patient. as a general philosophy just try to be more reactive in the neutral game. you seemed fidgety for whatever reason

718

It was the stream and playing at 2am that may have been the factor.

719

So I’m having a debate with a Gief player on a local forum and it seems I’ve mis-understood something about the post on the previous page.

He (Gief player) says, -

  • All characters’ backdash are considered IN THE AIR.
  • U2 can be steered. But if you do “ground U2,” (i.e. TK 720 from the ground) even at most it is still roughly 30 degree to the ground.
  • If you are standing right next to the opponent (by close, i mean 360 K distance), and they backdash, you can catch them with U2, because you are physically next to them and your diagonal upward movement catches them.
  • But after EX green hand, you are NOT right next to the opponent. To compare, you can be at H SPD distance, L SPD distance, or in rare cases (usually against Sagat) not even in SPD distance.
  • Now Zangief U2 and they backdash. They can be grabbed, but because they are not next to Zangief, their backdash is NOT in the path of U2 because U2 does not go horizontal, but goes 30% up-forward.
  • What it looks like is that they backdashed, and Zangief’s U2 flies slightly higher than their head.

But…

  • If you jump in to do U2, your U2 path goes down-forward. If they backdashed that, it will swoop them because they are in Zangief’s U2 downward path.

So I thought the whole EX-hand mix up on the other page, you couldn’t back dash after hit, but apparently you can? Or am I know reading his post wrong?!

So what difference is the backdash “airborn” if it was always there?

720

Well according to what he is saying no it will not catch you, but I have been scooped up by that. I’m sure it is situational and all depends how deep gief is into fei (no homo) after the grn hand, but none the less I’ll test it in the lab and see what happens for myself.

also fei’s backdash was never considered airborn until AE, in super you could get thrown/command thrown out of your backdash… it sucked.