LOL, it’s pretty much the same as the earlier tier lists except they just jacked Fei to the top. I guess that was to be expected.
Some numbers that need to be fixed in my opinion:
6/4 Seth (5/5)
6/4 Viper (5/5)
5/5 Deejay (4/6)
6/4 Sakura (5/5)
It looks like they just gave him a slew of 6’s near the end and took a kind of favorable eye towards some matchups.
Filipino Champ did the numbers? They must be true. Guys, we’re cheap. Shame on you for not beasting at tournaments.
… Seriously though? It really is just the same tier list made by F-Champ before except Fei is inflated really high. I find this somewhat hard to swallow.
that mago effect is strong. are there even any other feis winning tourneys and beasting in general outside of japan/france
where are these numbers coing from
It kinda seems just like you’ve all pointed out. But how did F. Champ and Co. compile those figures, especially for matchups at the bottom? I’ve not seen Mago take on other top players using the likes of Sakura, DeeJay and Seth etc in extensive sets, so I’m figuring they (Champ and friends) played a good amount matches and had a guess at it, no?
Too much hype.
If that’s how Fei Long stands in Super, then they’ll have to create a tier higher than S for him in AE. Rape Tier?
That’s what I’m wondering. I’m curious to know what Fei they have in the West Coast that’s been beating everyone 6-4… And how come we haven’t heard of him? The guy should be milking the place dry through money matches :rolleyes:. Really, I mean, how often do these guys get to play against Inthul, Evans, Mago, or Starnab? None of those players would seem willing to teach the match-up to west coast players over long sessions. Maybe Justin’s reactions with Fei are showing these guys up. I just don’t know.
That what i’m saying too Mike, were the hell these kinda numbers coming from. This is all hilarious to me they way they exaggerate Fei now. Mago wins a tournament and now he’s the best character in the game? The fuck outta here. I find most of these people that make these claims tend to have issues beating Fei with their character therefore he is soooo good. When Fei Long starts winning tournaments consistenly outside of France and Japan then a decent assesment of the character can be made. Same shit with Adon too, people thought he was trash until Gamerbee now he’s so good. People just need to learn the damn matchups and stop thinking every character they have a problem with is top tier shit is embarrassing. Like its been said before Fei’s shit looks good in paper and in theory, but that translates slightly worst in his actual gameplay. He requires alot pre-conditioning to work effectively and playing on the mistakes of your opponent. Kind mad now that Mago did so well.
So from Mago himself, Chun and HONDA are Fei’s worst match-ups… Now we already know that Guile’s a bad match-up and that MAgo has a tough time against Bison too. Anyone else feelin’ this new tier list from F-Champ isn’t so official?
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lol, yeah when I was reading through the transcript I was like “And F. Champ says Honda is 6-4 in Fei’s favour?? Chun’s 5-5 too?” - ‘Oh yeah, Fei can punish Headbutt well, must be 6-4’ < Someone make a little comic strip outta that please…
5-5 for Bison? Is Gen really a 6-4? Makoto too?
Questions, questions. (Oddly enough, I like the Champ, but this list seems to have holes throughout)
he also said rog was a hard one too. all the charge characters really.
I agree that charge characters are problematic for fei, but I can’t find an accurate theoretical reason to this. I mean, also non-charge characters can stay in defense and keep blocking, they have fireballs too and so on… I know this is quite a noob question about the basics of the game 
Well your correct in my experience. The way to play a decent Fei long is to just treat him like Zangief. It’s in our nature to run after the game, therefore smart players just play to that. I’ve found a bit of success in taking life leads and hanging back against these characters, except for Balrog.
Fei’s dog shit from 3/4 to full screen, anything he does can be punished on reaction, and his walk speed is average.
I have a hard time believing Fei can be anywhere near as solid as Akuma.
Generally speaking, charge characters give Fei trouble because their strength is in walking backwards, or crouching to charge their moves, which means they are playing defensively by nature, which is the trump to Fei’s gameplan, of walking forward and being on the offensive more than the defensive.
That, and the way charge characters, excluding Blanka and maybe Honda, all have very good walk speed, meaning their footsie game is impressive on the underlying level. Coupled with some VERY good pokes for each character, as well as fantastic zoning tools, meaning Fei can’t concentrate properly on his Rekka pressure because 1) He has to focus on getting into a position where Rekkas will land before a fireball or poke comes his way, and 2) The opponent’s walk speed is good enough to make spacing Rekkas properly very difficult, and you often find yourself whiffing a Rekka, or landing one too deep.
Basically that’s the reason, but charge characters are in the upper tiers to begin with.
So charge character usually means pokes + walk speed and this hurts. Good point, thx.
I’ve won the majority of tournaments in the UK since I picked up Fei and I think almost everyone here can agree that Fei is REALLY STRONG. The recent bushido tournament, there were 3 Feis in top 5, Evans, Starnab, Me. Come on!
It suprises me that so many people on the Fei forums cannot accept that he is TOP TIER and continue to defend him using excuses like people don’t know MU’s. Face it, lol.
once again, thats over there in france or the uk. its yet to happen anywhere else. there are too many pockets of players over here in the US that arent experiencing the same sudden jump in fei tourney wins. and there are some pretty good tourney winning calibre players that have jumped to fei, or at leats play him on the side as an alt
and feis continued success in europe makes me think europe is free to fei more than fei is top tier. besides that, evans and starnab have been doing well with fei since vanilla. we know fei wasnt top tier in that game
Still, you have to question why similar results haven’t seen in the US and in Japan. It’s not a frequent thing for Fei to be in the top 3, as shown in Aquashark’s season summary. It could be attributed to a lot of things, and I suppose that’s why most people, including myself, won’t admit to Fei being quite as high up as many would say.
Then again, I’ve been playing SF since the release of SSFIV, and my own prowess with Fei Long isn’t quite at the level of yourself and other top level Feis, so of course my opinion on matchups, and likely the opinion of a great deal of other Fei Longs, is a good deal off, because of reasons such as a lack of matchup knowledge and a lack of skill and ability with Fei.
I’ve seen the way some Americans play Fei and it’s a huge difference in style compared to the Feis in Europe I’ve seen. What if it’s down to that? Or how about the lack of Fei knowledge in America? Europe being free to Fei Long is stupid… It’s funny since all the foreigners that have come to EU and played the Feis have all lost.
Seriously, how can you not see that Fei is top tier? That’s vanillia, he was a good character to begin with but everyone else around him was just really strong. His match ups in SSF4 are AMAZING, he has so much and you still question where he places in the tier list?
Haven’t they been seen in Japan already? I want to hear your opinions on why you actually think he isn’t top tier because I’m really baffeled, lol. What else does he need to be strong?
No, no, I openly admit he’s really good, but I don’t think he should be at the very top of the tier list. I feel tier lists themselves are flawed and as a direct result of that Fei is placed too high. The other characters in the top tier give Fei the most trouble out of any characters, which in my opinion, hurts his chances of winning against a varied field who usually consist of a lot people playing those upper tier characters.
Tier lists just aren’t really my thing. I feel trying to accurately pinpoint a character’s strength compared to the field using tier lists is currently innaccurate for the lack of full and thorough matchup exploration firstly, but secondly, because they’re not weighted. But that’s just me.
As for Feis winning in Japan, I’ve only heard of Mago placing well regularly using Sagat and Fei, and him winning Godsgarden #2. Have more waves been made than that?
the lack in knowledge would have to go both ways tho. it wouldnt just be a guy not knowing how to play as fei, it would also be his opponent not knowing how to fight against him as well. ie, an even wash.
and my point was that starnab and evans are both just really good players, so them doing well has no bearing on fei being good.
by the way, i do think fei is among the top characters. but more because he dosent lose to many characters than beause he beats most of them.
my main point would be that if fei was as powerful as you think he is, you would see his success in more than just one or two areas of the world.
He is strong and one of the best, but top 3? MAYBE top 5. Like I said on the main page tier list thread, there are not enough good Fei Longs to start turning 5-5 matches into 6-5’s. The data on Fei Long seems to be gathered from a few select players who play him exceptionally well, and not a true reflection of how we as players see him.
Akuma - to me - is the only real Top Tier character.
Its not like I have these thoughts because I don’t want him to become popular, It’s really what I think.
If Fei Long is top 3 now with 20 odd 6-5’s, standing jab buff puts him off the charts in AE