Well yes, yes you do. You EXPLICITLY expected the father to beat the boy down instead of shooting him, if there was a size advantage. Assuming teenagers are armed is far from asinine in today’s society, and especially in a loosely restricted state like Texas.
You faulted him when you merely suggested a hypothetical ass-whooping. Don’t backpedal. There’s no “it’s OK in X situation, but not in Y” here - you arm yourself in ALL potential confrontations, if possible.
He TRIED. On the phone, with 911. He believed the boy was reaching for a weapon, and exercised his right to open fire.
The 911 call will capture most of it.
Yes, the daughter is shit for lying about it. Your father enters your room with a firearm and you disavow the boy you were probably trying to fuck?
If your son tells you there’s a stranger hiding under your daughter’s bed, common sense is to arm yourself and interrogate. Obviously the boy wasn’t thinking clearly.
Newsflash, that’s why people own firearms for home defense - you may need to have them pointed at someone in the same room as your family.
As for your first point I suppose I did. But that’s in knowing that there is a size difference, and that it was a teenager facing off against a grown ass man. As to the expecting a teenger to carry a weapon into the house of his girlfriend, probably knowing beforehand (or maybe not) that the father also has a gun in the house? I will not insult that teenager’s intelligence by assuming he would something that asinine in the first place. Especially not when he was probably preoccupied with the thought he was getting some that night.
I did. I should have worded that as “I don’t fault him NOW for grabbing a gun” after learning about the medication. As for me, I just don’t like the use of guns (or weapons other than bare fists) for deciding confrontations in general. This situation is different as his family was perceived to be in danger, so eh.
And of course, as Combo Knight had pointed out earlier, we don’t even know whether the kid was dressed or not, so we don’t know the possibility of whether he had a weapon or not, but from the wording of the article we can assume the possibility of that is nil. Which is what I based my, “I think the father could have would his ass” hypothetical on.
You’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. Of course a normal guy wanting to get some wouldn’t carry a weapon. The dad thinks he’s a burglar. Is it reasonable to expect a burglar to have a weapon? I’d say yes it is.
People assuming so many things. We can only go by what was said in the article (or whatever other article you guys are using, but I’m using the OP’s one). The guy “dropped his hands as if grab something.” It didn’t say to grab at something on him, just said he dropped his hands and the dad interpreted it as if to grab something. That’s all we know. Maybe he reached down to his pockets (he may or may not have time to put on SOME clothes from the time the boy spots him and his dad arrives after fetching a gun), maybe to his clothes on a chair, desk, or something near him (it’s a bedroom after all, those things are around), or maybe he just made a quick enough movement in general which is not smart at all when a guy has a gun pointed right at you.
And I don’t know about you guys, but teenagers can be athletic and strong as fuck.
Wasted brought up the knife scenario. I’m arguing against that, especially considering the guy in question was close to his daughter’s age and should be quite evident the guy was only a teenager when he went to confront the two of them in her room.
The only thing this conversation keeps confirming to me is that the daughter should have never lied in the first place. She was the catalyst for all this escalating the way it did.
So you saying teenagers can’t rob people? You saying teenagers can’t carry weapons?
As far as the person saying the teen could spout out info about the daughter - just because he goes to the same school or knows her doesn’t mean he can’t decide to break into her place and rob/rape her.
An unknown person is in your house and your own family claims to not know who the hell he is. Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt?
Also agreed. Also what is this tough guy shit? Real life isn’t a series of fair battles 1v1 with weigh ins and a referee. It’s absurd to even pretend that makes someone tough. Every time someone has ever wanted to fight me it’s always with 3 other guys backing them up, everyone trying to act tough. This country probably wouldn’t even exist if the Pilgrims wanted to go 1v1 with every Native American, hand to hand and without guns.
Look if you’re a 17 year old man you don’t sneak into a 16 year old girl’s parents house. Not late at night and without ever having met them. How do you just jump that step entirely? And you certainly do not hide under the bed. I assume she had a closet, most would go into a closet.
And you certainly don’t argue and act tough once the dad calls the cops.
If you are the father, of course you get your gun and believe your daughter and try to protect her. You called 911, the cops are coming, if the kid stays calm everything gets sorted out. But if he’s making sudden movements and arguing with you? Well you can’t know, he can be armed himself and dangerous.
A 17 year old male is probably going to be able to beat up a 45 year old man. I know my 17 year old self could beat up the current me. I don’t see why the father shouldn’t protect himself and why he should have been prepared to fight in the first place.
No, I’m saying teenagers don’t generally rob and/or carry weapons to the house of the girl he was about to get some from, which is what I’m saying. What I’m also saying is had the person looked like an adult or college student (20-21) I’d have less reservations about the action father ultimately took because then it’s a grown ass man creeping on your 16 year old daughter.
I’d probably question how the hell did he get in the house without breaking anything, or making any noise whatsoever, or how the hell the son spotted two feet either under the bed or under the covers without her herself knowing it. Maybe I’m different, but I expect to be lied to in that situation, especially is she/he got caught red-handed. But I can see why he didn’t expect it, because the situation/scenario was probably dumbfounding to begin with (who doesn’t wait till at least the parents are out of the house before sneaking someone in? Just mindblowing). Unfortunately the boy panicked, the father panicked, and that was the end of that and it ended badly.
I said knife, but it could have been Pocket Sand™ for all anyone knows. Doesn’t matter. You won’t know until a weapon gets drawn. Texas law says you don’t have to wait. End of story.
Older teenagers already look 20 nowadays. 13 year-olds dress like they’re 18. There are no assumptions to be made - the reasons why a stranger is in your daughter’s room don’t matter.
More like you’re young and inexperienced, so you don’t have the proper frame of reference to understand how relationships work, family and otherwise. What you wrote isn’t “different” so much as it’s what you’d expect out of nerds with a liberal background in high school or college. Usually after people are out of school for a few years and start developing social lives and maturity their thought process will change too.
Heck 10 years ago I’d probably have written the same things you did.
Also how do you know what he looked like? When I was in junior high there were dudes with full beards that looked to be adults. Everyone knows most teenage girls look indistinguishable from adult women, well the same is true for teenage males who many look like grown adults.
His picture was on the website. He looked pretty athletic, just judging from the headshot they supplied which included his shoulders.
I’ve also seen dudes in highschool with full on neckbeards and everything so I know some male teenagers can look like adults, but IMO, judging from his picture this one didn’t. (let me find it real quick).
Maybe my perspective on this will change as I get older. I sympathize with the teenager, because a couple of my boys did this while I was in highschool (they never got caught tho) so I’m probably not looking at this as deeply from the father’s perspective as I could or should be.
That girl just set herself for being single or never having dudes dealing with her for the rest of her high school years. Much less being ostracized for getting a classmate killed because she got caught. And y’know what? Serves her ass right. Because you didn’t wanna get in trouble, you got some dude killed. Couldn’t wait until after school at a park or something? Like seriously… Or even go to HIS house. I never fucked around with dudes at my house because I know my dad is equally crazy and ain’t worth the risk. She should’ve known better sneakin’ some dude in her house at like 2am. He should’ve known better too but, when she extended the invitation and he accepted it cause she clearly wanted the D.
Grats on ruining your high school career as being known as the “lyin’ bitch that got Johran killed”.
Not only rape accusations but our society has been conditioned to raise an eyebrow if you see a man around a small child and the assumption is it isn’t his. I was in a bathroom in a Walmart washing my hands when this little boy probably all of five runs in to use it too. So I’m thinking, “Okay, no adult accompanying him…just finish pissing and leave”. So I go to wash my hands and there he is, right next to me trying to wash his hands…and he starts talking to me.
Asking me questions about how I wash my hands and I am just being nice and giving very short answers. So I go to leave and he follows me and keeps talking to me, then hops in front to walk out first. When I tell you I got to the exit of the bathroom to have a woman blocking the door and looking at me with a, “I’ll fucking murder you right here” face and eyeballs about to blow out of her skull, it was just as predicted. Her mouth was open like she couldn’t wait to start screaming at me. She quickly noticed I was in a suit and tie and I had a name tag on for the bank I worked for. She immediately snatched her kid up and started yelling at him out loud, “What did I tell you about talking to strangers?!”. So people are watching me as I’m walking away like I was up to something.
Yeah, that’s what happened. Stop being an armchair bleeding heart, it’s not a good look and exposes your ignorance. The state instructs police to fire when similar actions are done by “suspects”, every man woman and child in this nation should have that same right and protection under law. And this wasn’t he fired 7 rounds into the boy, he shot, and the boy died. Shit happens, and shit happened because a girl didn’t step the fuck up and claim responsibility.
