We’re back on this shit? Wishlist fantasies belong in the wishlist thread. This here’s strategy. Keep the complaints out of it.
Raakam was responding to someone saying there’s no way Guile can beat Blanka’s slide. And so what if Guile loses charge? That doesn’t stop good Guile players from using neutral st Short to beat Blanka’s slide.
And just cuz someone doesn’t main Guile doesn’t mean his opinion is invalid. Daigo doesn’t main Guile, but I’ll put more value on his opinion over yours.
I don’t think there’s any normal that can beat a Flying Kick. Maybe at certain spacings, neutral j Fierce, and maybe cr Fierce or Backfist can trade with it. But yeah, IDK for sure, I just block or try to keep Fei out of Flying Kick range.
Yes, but that wasn’t the initial problem from Irrepressible, he said nothing beats the slide, and standing lk beats it. Half the time, you throw a SB and when Blanka goes to slide under it, you punish with st.lk, which then pushes him back into the boom and you can also sometimes use it, strangely enough, as an anti air versus Blanka at some distances. I’ve seen you do it, I’ve seen Mars do it, I’ve seen Corrosive do it, I’ve seen Muteki do it.
I’ve said it before so I’ll say it again, jumping attacks from anyone rape CW, now if its meaty or he’s barraging you I might try sobat, st.mp, close st.hp. If you suspect CW and have time to jump then any air attack will do, such as jsu.lk since it stays out awhile or jsu.fierce.
Futhermore, he can’t combo you anymore after CW(unless I’m missing something), so you should be able to take the hits crouching retain charge and then flashkick afterwards, depending on the depth of the CW you may or may not be able flashkick the recovery but if he goes for another you can hit him and restart zoning, be sure to counter throws with b+punch so you don’t accidentially start a boom and get stuffed/thrown.
I find as fei, back sobat when guile has room gives me alot of trouble. Even if he trades on a jumpin its hard to flat out beat back sobat if guile isn’t cornered, then there’s the fact that it stuffs rekkas fairly easily.
CW doesn’t do great damage, it just tends to put charge characters in panic mode.
I unfortunately don’t have an xbox 360, but I will be getting one soon I hope otherwise I am stuck on GGPO VST for now so you will have to find me on there or msn(I will pm my email if you’d like for the msn contact).
Very true. Particularly, Blanka’s jumping roundhouse is known for beating AA sweep attempts but losing to a whole bunch of things that hit high, from a distance.
And flash kick beats slide, too. Muteki uses it a lot. I’m afraid one needs to be Muteki to use it appropriately, tough…
I was referring to if you didnt throw a boom and were anticipating a slide, doing standing shorts when he is in your face. By doing that blanka can just jump at you while you do that.
I usually use flash kick when I see the slide , or standing short, or jump striaght up feirce punch to defeat it.
Well that won’t happen till I get an xbox sir. I played Mars on VST a couple of weeks ago on GGPO, beat him 11-1, guile vs guile isn’t really that different as it was in VST as it is in HDR. I never was talking down on him to begin with, the only reason I brought up about him rushdowning was because as soon as I told Ganelon that I beat him, he said" wow crap really? Did he get that 5 hit cross up combo on you?" and I said ah no, but he is very good and a humble guy. Ask Mars yourself by all means.
Doesn’t j. neutral MK beat Blanka’s jump-ins? I remember seeing Muteki use that a lot in a video of him vs Komoda casuals. You’d have to react pretty fast though, and not have Blanka be too close to you when he does jump.
I’m sure you play a great Guile, man, but for now Mars is still the best Guile I’ve faced. And that’s not to mention the slew of Guiles who are also excellent regardless. I say this because I’ve managed to at least beat all the elite Guiles at least once, but with him I’ve never even taken a round. I’ve also never faced Muteki, I generally don’t get the pleasure of playing Japanese players much. The other factor to account for is that HDR is a totally different game, you will have to forget some of the things you learned in ST. But the** REAL** point is this:
No point in arguing about this with people. I main the shittiest character in HDR and I’m always figuring out some really ugly ways to win. Heck, I’m trying to learn Claw just so I stand a competitive chance. But honestly, if Guile had his old forward then he would completely rape every character without a fire-ball, and would also probably be on par with characters like Balrog and Vega. His one crappy match might be Ryu, but other than that…
As for st. lk? There is a vid of Axel Kelly v. BTC up from the most recent WWL tourney. Great example of how he used booms and st. lk to zone Blanka. That guy plays a crazy Guile, I’m really surprised I never heard of him before or saw his name on any top player lists. WTF?
Actually the score from what I remember was 7-1 you, as if you remember i said first to 7 and you won and it was ggs and Ive been said before that im not the best guile and nowhere near it many of times. Me personally I feel HDR is the better game and i personally like it more but I feel ST is more Funner and in someways more interesting as everybody plays that and i think it will probably outlast hdr. But For me now its like this game is a learning experience for me as of course its playing to win but more so to try and learn new things in the game(matchups etc).
I feel HDR is a better as well, since they made adjustments that made the game more balenced and less bs IMO. Hmm I guess It was 7-1, to be honest I don’t remember but again yes GGs for sure bro. Anyways I made my point already about the low forward(which I pm sirlin about it recently) and the Guiles players have agreed with me thats all that matters anyway, and Obviously Its just gonna be an endless argument between the Guile players here and the non guile players that come in to randomly that dont play Guile seriously disagree as soon as they see that I posted and love to debate with me all the time and flame me. So lets go back to talking about strats please.
yes but I also said vega’s slide too, not just blanka’s. using standing light kick will quickly lead to defeat against blanka, it is not a reliable option against a good blanka player, they will simply jump.
OK, I got a strategy question. Against most gief players I can beat them with my eyes closed, but there are some gief players that give me serious trouble. The scenario is:
I do a boom (different speeds)
they do a green hand
In response I do low foward, or backfist
they do SPD
I get grabbed
so my question is, whats is a reliable defence to counter a green hand thats gone through a boom?
2nd question… how do u guys handle gief players that spam crouching fierce kick?
marsgatti you are way too humble, many ppl admire ur guile skills so ur opinion is worth just as much as anybody elses. Guile by design is a defensive character, although he can be used offensivly I feel he excels at defence and counter attacts. I remember when me and you played against afro-legends balrog. I tried an ultra-defensive styled and got destroyed and you tried a offensive strategy with simular results. The common factor was balrog moves (both normal and special) simply over power guile. PPL say use booms to keep him out, but balrogs dashing punches and turn punches will hit guile even through a sonic boom, its a trade in rogs favour. rogs hotboxes are so huge and guile boom startup is so slow that at close range-medium range balrog will git guile through a boom with a normal punch.
Even if u tyry to flash kick rogs turn punch u will still get get hit. Add to that rogs normal low punch will simply out pioritise any of guiles normals.
perhaps guiles CE low forward was too good for the other CE characters, but for ST and HDR guile definatly needs it for a lot of hist matchups, cos using booms to keep ppl out isnt as effective as it seems, espcially for characters that have moves that pass through projectlies or are quick enough to jump booms on reaction.
ps sorry for going back on low forward issue…I just wanted to reply to gatti’s post.