no one gives a shit.
Though while we’re discussing letting false accusers walk without seeing a day in jail(to “protect” real victims), can we at least get some type of anonymity for the accused until the resolution of a trial(by jury)? I think that’s something even the feminists in here could budge on, unless providing some protection on the accused on the possibility they may be innocent(which due to the strong feelings if not outright hysteria stirred by rape accusations; a presumption of innocence is often non-existent in the public mind)also removes protections from victims? That’s a stance I would love to see one of the feminists argue
I completely agree anonymity for cases like these should be the norm till a verdict is reached.
And once again Judges really need to be held to a higher standards when fuck ups like this happen.
you said, and I responded with
its your feminist dribble bullshit lobbying that made it that way. and yet you continue to defend and support such a bullshit cause that only means to serve white females.
and your last statement was
and I responded with
as for your last statement. blame biology and genetics. the fact that your weaker slower and less resilient, and couple that with the fact that you are the one in control of population. its not hard to see why Paleolithic manwould evolve such a strong g response to female abuse. thiusand of years of such behavior becomes instinctual and a few years of easy labor, mechanized living, and more scientific thought won’t change that soon.
your post had two points, and each point was a diffrent thing entirely. One point dealt with the system and how women shouldn’t be burdened any responsibility for abusing a system engineeried by bleeding heart male feminists. and your second point regarded why society in general responds to women in a way where they want to take care and unburden women of any little thing and do everything for them.
can you not read or something? Are you incapable of even that much? Or do I need to spell it out for you every time (granted at this point, it might as well be futile because you can’t even read your own shit let alone mine), because it certainly seems that way. Every time somebody says something you miss the point. Maybe next time you post something, and respond to what somebody said with respect to your post. You should really keep in mind that females have a very hard point staying focus and on or point, so you should have a pen and paper ready to write notes so you can keep focused on what was said.
OH, and because grammar is so very fucking important to me when typing on a smartphone. Yes, I’ma take the time to make sure I pressed the right buttons, lol. You know what, I’ll take it a bit more seriously next time, maybe i’ll take it as seriously as you took to stupid little stars under you name next time, that way you don’t have resort to the obvious this doesn’t make any sense because the grammar is bad!!!
once again proving he is an idiot.
by that logic, why don’t we let rapist, pedophiles, murders, and kidnappers not serve any time at all for doing the right thing and turning themselves in. Becaue obviously fraud, lying to the state, reckless endangerment, intent to hurt and destroy reputation aren’t serious allegations or serious crimes. Fuck all that shit, let’s just let everybody walk away because they did the right thing after fucking up.
lease do tell me the great work feminism is doing for minorities, and please do tell me of prominent non white feminist leaders of big feminist groups working for the betterment of females in the US and more importantly abroad.
lol, why do you act like there is an actual tedious balance between protecting the innocent and victims. There isn’t one, it’s all bullshit and you know it. Maybe if cops did their job, collected real evidence (not that he said she said bullshit that seems to decide cases), made sure that these crimes always have a jury so some ass hat doesn’t wave his dick and condemn a man to death, and have tough laws and procedures on females that cry rape.
As it is, the balance is skewed towards females, to encourage them to come and report rape, at the expense of men. That is completely unacceptable because the scales of justice are now compromised and no longer blind, it favors the female at the expense of man. Just like people are fine with a few innocent men going to jail to ensure females step up, society needs to be fine with a few innocent females going to jail to ensure false allegations do not happen. It’s a two way street, but it’s engineered so that men get the raw deal.
This didn’t address anything I said. You’re asserting I’m lobbying (which I haven’t) and defending and supporting this (which I’m not). I asked you to explain why you feel this way at which point you just repeated yourself. At this point I think it’s safe to say you’ve delved into ad hominems.
lol wut? So I said that women shouldn’t be burdened by responsibility for abusing the system engineered by liberal male feminists? Where? Because I really don’t recall saying that.
In fact, in the post you quoted no less, I said this:
I have never, in this entire thread, endorsed that women shouldn’t be burdened by responsibility for abusing the system.
Now if you’re trying to troll me, I guess reading comprehension wouldn’t be required. But if you want to engage in a meaningful way it might be helpful. But let’s move on…
Actually, that was kinda the whole singular point of my post. You made up the other point, remember?
Oh the irony of this statement is delicious. Reading comprehension FTW.
Using proper grammar and punctuation is a COURTESY to the people who you’re trying to communicate with. No one wants to read your 2nd grade dribble.
It’s not like it has to be perfect, but put a little more effort into your communication if you want people to take your points seriously.
And stop blaming your phone. Either master that shit or get a keyboard. I bet you blame all your losses on the stick too right?
{its your feminist dribble bullshit lobbying} that made it that way
its yours - is the possessive part of the sentence implying it belongs to you and or you are part of the group through association and or support.
feminst dribble bullshit - refers to feminist rhetoric
lobbying is the action
When somebody is part of a group, the actions of the group are the actions of the individual, whether you like it or not, and thus, you are not free to disassociate yourself from the realities and agenda from the group you claim to be a part of because it’s inconvenient.
for further clarification, because it seems you always need something to be clarified,
like when I tell somebody, your dumbass democratic lobbying ruined the country,
or your politically correct dribble bullshit is…
It doesn’t mean, that he is the one committing the action that dictates the change (lobbying). In our situation, you aren’t directly changing the outcomes to be the way they are (you aren’t lobbying), but rather its your feminist rhetoric which allows this to happen and forces the change. Just like in the example provided, it’s democratic lobbying group doing the damage, yet it’s his lobbying group because he supports the party. Just like it’s your feminist dribble bullshit rhetoric because you support that cause.
You are so good damn literal when it’s convenient, yet are quick to be all sorts shades when it’ convenient for you. At least have the decency to one or the other.
More action taken on the judge?? There was literally no action taken on the woman at all WTF is 2 months with respect to 7 years in male prison. there was no action taken against her, and still you sit there and have the audacity to say, oh noes she should be punished less because the judge should be punished more for doing what society teaches him to do. So of course I’m going to say what I say, because 2 months is nothing, she hasn’t been burdened with any responsibility, and you wanna take off even more. Seriously, if you want to contribute in a meaningful way, perhaps you should stop worrying so much about grammar, and spend more time thinking about what is it you type, and how it relates with everything.
LOL, I didn’t make anything up, that’s what it said, or do you need me to break up your own paragraph down for you so that you can understand what ever is it you type. You specifically addressed two distinct institutions. Society, and the system. LRN2ENGLSH
lol, courtesy…we had this discussion already, spelling isn’t grammar, grammar deals with syntax of a sentence. some college student you are.
and ill blame my phone as much as I want, I’m not gonna waste my time memorizing and perfecting how to swype and or type with only my thumbs as I got other things to do, and I am especially not going to spend x amount of cash on some tacky ass keyboard because some retard is stunted by some spelling (oh im sorry, “grammer” errors)
btw, stick is for faggots, real champions use pad.
matriarch=2012 rokchik
No way. Rokchik was the most sensitive poster who ever signed up on SRK. Ever. At least Matriarch keeps her/his anti-inflammed most of the time.
It doesn’t matter if you are the best liar in the world, once a woman cries and speaks of how she was wronged, no jury is going to believe you. You will just be an evil man that needs to be locked up.
So let’s get very specific shall we.
Feminism: supports equality with women to men. The core of the philosophy is only concerned with this dichotomy because gender equality has traditionally meant that females are disempowered compared to males. The moment something pushes for women to have more rights than men, it’s technically no longer feminism. Also, feminism does not address men being equal to women, which left the idea feeling incomplete. This led to…
Egalitarianism: supports equality for all people. So it supports the idea that women need to be equal to men (feminism), but also that men need to be equal to women too. The values of Feminism are thus a subset of Egalitarianism, not encompassing all forms of equality, but specifically addressing women needing to be equal to men.
After all, there are a lot of groups within the human race, so addressing them all at once is a bit daunting. So picking one group (which comprises over half of the human population) is where feminism takes its focus.
Feminism is a philosophy, not necessarily a political movement, although it can and most definitely is used to that end. This is an important distinction, as someone can agree and believe in the values of something but not necessarily how others interpret and use said values (italicized & bolded for added emphasis).
For example, one can believe in Christianity without supporting the Westboro Baptist Church. One can believe in Islam without supporting radical terrorism. As there are many kinds of Christians and Muslims, there are also many kinds of feminists. There is no monolithic feminist agency. And to attempt to assert the contrary is simply asinine.
However, these are merely my views and you’re free to disagree with them. Whether I am or am not a feminist is ultimately not part of this discussion. Claiming “You are X and X is bad!” is not conducive to the topic at hand. It’s an ad hominem.
Let’s break this down for a moment.
On one hand you have a teenage girl, a minor, being impulsive and irrational. And on the other you have a judge, empowered with a position of authority by society to ensure the fair and constitutional implementation of the judicial system.
Was the girl wrong? Sure. But it’s the judge’s job to make sure shit like this doesn’t fly. It was ultimately the judge’s responsibility. Without the judge you have a teenage girl crying wolf. With the judge you have a man losing his freedom.
Impulsive and irrational people will challenge you at virtually any job you hold. But because it’s your responsibility to make sure things operate in the way they’re supposed to, it’s also your responsibility to tell them no.
Society is defined as “a group of people involved with each other through persistent relations, or a large social grouping sharing the same geographical or social territory, typically subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations”.
The legal system is thus a product of society. The legal system reflects the values of society. When I addressed society, I also addressed the legal system.
And I’m just going to leave it at that, because honestly, I’d rather not get into the semantics…
Granted, your spelling does suck (no doubt the fault of the phone). But your entire posts are awkward to read (which is a grammar problem).
But it’s your choice. Do what you want. Keep posting like you do now. But don’t be surprised if I exercise my freedom of choice to continue giving you a hard time about it.
Easy there tiger. Pretty sure that word is banned.
I’d also pay money to watch you go around and say that at a major.
Systemic and individual failings aside, I also find it kind of sad that this whole debacle came about because we live in a culture where someone is led to feel shame for being interested in sex.
Puritanical culture for the lose.
This thread is all sorts of sad.
It sucks he lost all that time in his life, it’s awful that the judge did this without a shred of evidence or at least a corroborating witness, it’s weird how you are all reacting to what a teenager had done as if teenagers make all the best decisions, I feel sorry that she’s going to spend time in jail for being afraid of her mother.
This is a terrible case to use against women who cry false rape and glosses over other issues that are more important to the story. She shouldn’t have done it, sure, but it isn’t like her decision to claim false rape was created in a vacuum.
The problem is that these stories are always more buzz worthy when the guy is charged/accused wrongly.
but when and if they are found innocent then the story telling is minimized. Its not a big as a story as it was when it was initialized and thats terrible.
its almost like the media is protecting the system (justice system) from being called out on its ignorance and stupidity because its giving them sparks of juicy stories to feed the public.
its one of the many kegs/broken sprockets in our government that could be fixed but is overlooked and compounded to a multitude of self inflicted problems in our country today.
america the land eternally teetering on the edge of structure and mutiny.
Man when the banning of flag-bombers happens en masse and certain bitchmade posters start crying IRL, it’s going to be glorious.
Please bottle your tears and send them my way when that happens. I will savor the salt.
Easy there. We can’t have complex thought over a complex issue on SRK GD, after all.
That’s exactly my point. A case should not be able to go forward if there’s no evidence and it’s all he-said-she-said. The laws and law enforcement are the problem here because they aren’t nipping this shit in the bud.
I get caught for looking at porno when i was a kid, i get beaten the shit out of my ass by my old man.
Girl gets caught looking at porno by mom, shows up at the frontpage of the local news as the heroine that put away evil 14 yr old (at the time) child molester for 45 years.
The short abridged version, yeaaaah…
I can’t even grasp how this judgment was made. He “supossedly” commited the crime when he was 14 years old, yet he recieved a sentence for a full adult and 45 years? I mean what? Let’s ignore the fact that there was no evidence in this case, that it happened 6 years ago and there was no jury. Why does he recieve 45 years of prison for something as a 14 year old? Doesn’t the judicial system take into account that fact? (i don’t want to discuss that a man 6 years ago isn’t the same man as today, which in the case of a child going trough puberty is like raining in the winter and sunshine in the summer) Wouldn’t he be sentenced to a juvinile reform institution at that age instead of prison?
i mean don’t get me wrong, i do think feminism has some roots in this case but,
There’s a shitload of inconsistency going on here that go far beyond that.
With that said and that remaining to be said, Im just happy i have the privilege to choose the people (and women) that sorround me in my life. This dude had the unlucky chance of knowning a sociopathic liar that fucked his life up.
Considering how much you’re crying over flag bombing I’m sure you have enough of a supply of tears for yourself. :tup:
Again, her being a teenager doesn’t absolve her of responsibility. What if a teen actually did commit rape? Do you want to not charge them and just send them to counseling instead because teenagers don’t make all the best decisions?
It just seems to me to be that a lot of what’s passing in this thread for “taking the more complex view of things” is basically any view that absolves this teen of culpability for her actions(yet the people arguing that are fully in favor of the judge, the legal system, and society at large being the ones at fault and being held responsible)
Circumstances don’t excuse the individual responsibility over one’s own actions.
Most murderers and rapists were abused or molested themselves as children. A small minority have a brain disfunction that prevents them from feeling any empathy towards other human beings. They were basically born doomed and unable to live in society.
But in each and every case the one who got hurt the most is the innocent victim, not the criminal.
^Well Tataki it’s not like murderers and rapists make all the best decisions, and surely they don’t commit their actions in a vacuum. Obviously the more complex view is to forego even an arrest and send them right to Dr. Phil.