Or if they are rich, give them kick boxing training, cooking classes, and horseback riding.
I don’t think anyone is asserting such a polarized stance: “It’s all the judge’s fault, the teen did nothing wrong”.
The sentiment I keep hearing and expressing is more like “The teen messed up, but the judge is the one who ultimately had all the power and holds the majority of the responsibility”.
^And I humbly disagree there Match. The ultimate fault of such an action will always fall primarily on the one who committed the action, at least ideally. None of this would’ve come to pass had she not concocted that bullshit story. Just like with any other crime, whatever the background circumstances of it are(in some cases they are quite understandable, like someone in backbreaking poverty stealing fruit or something), the primary responsibility for committing the crime rests on the person who did it. This taking into account the sheer failure of the judge and the judicial process which even you and I of all people can agree on.
If a 6 year old child comes up to me and goes “The neighbors put a monster in my closet! Let’s go shoot them!” I, as an adult, have the responsibility to not act on the false allegations of a child and properly investigate said claim. If I act as if this allegation is real and go shoot up a house because of a closet monster, then it is I who am committing the action that is leading to the most unethical result. The child likely had no power to enact this on their own.
Judges have false accusations come before them all the time (whether from an adult or a child). That’s why they’re called judges, because they have to make rational decisions in the midst of such complications. If a judge doesn’t do their job properly, innocent people suffer.
I could also assert that the ultimate fault of the man’s incarceration falls on the judge who made the sentence, as that is committing an action as well. None of this would’ve happened if that bullshit sentence wasn’t passed.
The teen’s allegation wasn’t enough to put a man in prison. It took someone in power to foolishly act upon it to make that happen.
^We’ll just have to agree to disagree then Match, as you won’t ever convince me that the judge should take the lion’s share of the rap and not the girl who made the bogus story in the first place(while not discounting that the judge indeed made some unethical decisions and should be investigated for their behavior in this case).
However, that you proposed a story of a very young child(not a 17 year old teenager who is for all intents and purposes a young adult) making up a story about closet monsters, resulting in their parents shooting the neighbors, as analogous to this case is ridiculous stretching
Well if it helps, here was my logic:
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The person making said allegation is a minor, who does not have the power to carry out the unethical consequence of their allegation on their own.
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The person in power has a responsibility to properly determine how said allegation needs to be acted upon. If the person in power reacts in an irresponsible or irrational way, it’s not the fault of the person making the allegation.
I can’t believe ya’ll are calling for leniency for women that ruin somebody else’s lives. Saying that we should water down the punishment to encourage them to come forward is insane, you shouldn’t be teaching young women (who are the primary ones to do this) that it’s okay to ruin a man or woman’s life so long as you say sorry later. You need to ingrain a stronger sense of personal responsibility into them, not just say oh well, shit happens, he COULD have raped you in another timeline.
Imagine if a guy hit somebody in his car, never told anybody for five years and then came forward and said ''Yeah, I did sorta run over that dude and completely cripple him, but coming forward counts, right?" Should he get a minimal fine and a couple months in prison? Fuck no, he ruined somebodies life, he should be put away in jail for a LONG time. Chances are if you’re such a vitriolic bitch that you’re going to ruin a guy’s life and tarnish his reputation, you aren’t going to come forward anyway. We should be punishing the people that do come forward to the full extent of the law, not treating them like a kid that admitted to pushing over another one in the sand pit and giving them a slap on the wrist.
God knows we don’t need MORE favoritism going towards women in this legal system. The fact that he said, she said shit can get guys put away like this is insane.
Pretty sure the person most responsible for fucking this dude over was the person who initiated it, not the person who responded in typical fashion to this type of situation.
Anyways this thread is dumb and not gangsta unlike another thread.
Hey I’m a teenager I guess I can go and beat the crap out of that teacher who gave me a bad grade and that guy who looked at me funny.
I can’t be held responsible for my actions or judged because my teenage brain is retarded.
Maybe this is just the human scum coming out of me, but what about the judge? He wasn’t hesitant giving this dude a fucking sentence for half his life. Bullshit detectors on these judges are broken
no one said anybody should be excused for anything what i said was:
which coincidentally is exactly what she got, a reasonable sentence for a crime she committed as a minor.
as far as the british case, what exactly were you implying?
you clearly posited the idea that if the accuser doesn’t go to jail then the murderers shouldn’t either, so forgive me for explicitly pointing out to you why that idea is fucking retarded. i already pointed out that the police declining to prosecute isn’t the same thing as “false reporting” and it’s entirely possible that “the accuser” was actually sexually assaulted in some way by the eventual victim and wasn’t lying at all…which still wouldn’t make it justifiable for those guys do go murder the guy. as far as manslaughter goes, the chick who told the guys to kill the victim rightfully was charge with it.
exactly.
this chick is probably a pretty good liar though if she could spin out of getting busted watching porn and pivot directly into “the neighbor molested me 4 years ago”. she could’ve had a bright career in law ahead of her if it wasn’t for newly acquired status as a convicted felon.
Exactly. Laws like this definitely need to be changed, as it’s one of those laws that favors girls/women 95% of the time. The Police/Government always happen to take a woman’s word over a man’s with NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE that she was raped by a specific man, & it’s always the innocent man that gets punished.
Another law that favors girls/women that needs changing: Child support.
Even when a man has proven that the child that he’s raising isn’t biologically his through a DNA test, they don’t get any say once he signs the child’s birth certificate, & he still has to pay child support for the child until he or she’s 18 years old, all because of the law “following the best interests of the child.” Again, the law always taking the woman’s side, & the man gets punished. Ridiculous.
Child support and a few other things like maternity leave definitely need looking into, yes.
But if you honestly believe that rape claims are just systematically believed without evidence, you’re delusional.
Delusional, like believing yourself to be both clever or relevant to any of the many conversations of this nature that you always seemingly insert yourself into?
Or delusional like the white mob was when they tore down a wall in order to lynch Ed Johnson?
They usually are. I know plenty of attorneys working the sex crime units at various prosecutor’s offices. Most are angry women that think all men are constantly trying to rape them. It is pretty funny. They will usually launch into this whole schpiel about it.
That’s why things like Duke Lacross, Hofstra false gangbang and plenty of other examples constantly happen. All a woman has to do is go in and cry rape, and in most areas there will immediately be action taken on that word. Sometimes small towns don’t take action, when that happens vigilante white knights like Anonymous get involved and force the issue. America is full of rape hysteria, but it’s easy to rile up people about it anywhere. Even India has those massive protests about violence against women. Those poor fucks can’t even get two slices of bread to put together three times a day, but they’re out in force about women’s rights issues. There are fat feminists even in places like Afghanistan. This is a world wide social engineering campaign that has worked grandly.
There are a few people I want to meet in my life, and the people behind these widespread social engineering plans truly intrigue me. I’m also quite very fond of the inventors of the fractional reserve banking system and world bank systems. Truly brilliant people, executing plans on a grand scale. I always have to tip my hat to it.
“I know a guy who knows a guy” is proof of squat. Which isn’t me saying there aren’t angry women who think all men are scum, and that it hasn’t occasionally led to a innocent man being accused of something he didn’t do.
Not sure where this whole social engineering of feminism conspiracy comes from. I suspect the same place as belief in the Illuminati and the “real reason 9/11 happened” truther camp. Any critical study of the situation – without the MRA-esque rhetoric – doesn’t reveal unfounded “rape hysteria,” but a culture of, here it comes, rape. Of women being sluts and whores and always screwing the poor man, what with his proven social advantages everywhere on Earth in almost every field. It’s like scared white people afraid they “can’t have a white pride parade”: every fucking day is white pride day.
I suspect you’ll never meet these mythological social engineers for the same reason I’ll never meet Bilbo Baggins.
The hobbit shire being at the center of the Earth (according to Leonard Nimoy) might have more to do with it rather than some other reason…grab a shovel, son.
I don’t know if you read that link I posted on page 2, but it was written by a woman who was/is a sex crimes lawyer and she was saying that there are piles of rape kits that never end up being tested in rape cases. Her take was that because in 90% of rape cases, the victim knew the attacker, there was no need. Apparently this happens everywhere.
Well I guess the biological factors of why women are treated differently should be fleshed out a bit more, so that we don’t completely take it as a social issue:
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Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women**
And probably my favorite of these studies:
Scent of a Woman’s Tears Lowers Men’s Desire
Yeah so I guess at a fundamental level we’re wired for a certain level of deference. Even in progressive societies the factors still exist and slowly culminate to the disparities we see in society. Which is why there are still far more strip clubs for men than women, and why women take forever to shop thanks to the gathering instinct. Contrarian anecdotes aside, the human race are slaves to their biological programming and it slowly bleeds out into the “sophisticated” modern world.
This great documentary also goes in depth on the whole gender equality/ instinctual behavior debacle: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymotion.com%2Fvideo%2Fxp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news&ei=94u_UuDGOsSF2QXU-YD4BQ&usg=AFQjCNGFOSwqlz9JU7TAXtxOcHt0P0PCog&sig2=DBNjLp99h4HpETVIGlVANg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.b2I