Just to be clear, I never cosigned on that stance (or even semi-cosigned). I said:
May. As in, I accept the possibility that this may influence someone making a decision to come clean.
But even so, there are numerous other considerations to also be made, which the rest of my post explored.
There’s a tedious balance to be had in this issue. You want real victims to feel confident enough to come forward, but deter the fake ones. Unfortunately figuring out who’s telling the truth and who isn’t is a huge concern.
If you make laws that are too strict on false accusations, it will likely deter real victims from coming forward out of fear that their case might not be good enough and result in the victim being accused of a false accusation. But if there are no laws to cover false accusations, you open the door to situations like this.
Ultimately I still feel that it’s the responsibility of the legal professionals to catch things like this. It’s their job to ensure that the innocent remain innocent until proven guilty and the guilty are appropriately punished. I feel accusing an innocent person is bad, but convicting an innocent person is far worse.
Hell yeah. That’d be like going to prison with smooth Botox balls and thinking everything would be all right.
But I know she’d accept what she got willingly cuz she knew it would be this or similar light shit. She’ll probably come home to a big party and a hero’s welcome, like she was a P.O.W. or some shit. I swear it’s like the guilty women are fucking the judges or something…
And I seriously hope men who date women do background checks on chicks like they do on us
The first date
Dude: So…I kinda did a little research on you and it says you committed purgery? Heh, what was THAT all about? Parking ticket? Kinda bent the truth to protect a friend from an abusive boyfriend?
Liz: No…I kinda lied on a dude and got him sent to real, butt-raping prison. I said that he raped me. I’ve learned my lesson, though.
Dude: :l … oh, wow, look at the time! IIII…JUST remembered I have to go pick up my sister’s daughter from ballet recitaldon’tfreakifmynumbernolongerworksI’llcallyoulaterIpromisebye! :d: :db: + 2 :p:
Well how do you get DNA evidence from a 30 year old case?
Agreed, who knows the next poor soul who actually got raped and no one believes her because too many shit-heads who throw wild accusations to get out of something minor like watching porn.
Think of it this way, lets say its a reversed scenario, a man claimed a woman raped him. No one going to believe the man, he is a man, “men don’t get rape”.
And let say it went to trial, and the woman gets convicted, then the guy after 5 years came forwards and say he lied about the whole thing. He going to get the book thrown at him and might get stuck with extra charges the girl in the article (BEWD posted) never got. It is already a sexual bias system where women are “weak and can’t fend for themselves”. And you want to reinforce this by letting the girl who made false accusations get off easy. Few Months of prison, community service and a tough fine isn’t fair punishment, she got off easy.
i never said anything about people not being able to allege anything against a person. if i did, i said it once but its still always been in the context of the convicted who were then let go after the false accuser comes forward and says oops i lied. obviously just because someone loses a case doesnt make them an immediate liar and should be tossed in jail, but if proven that they cried wolf post trial, or maybe even during the trial, punishments should be definitely tough, tougher then they are now.
If a trial doesn’t produce a guilty verdict and there are very stiff consequences for false allegations, it seems much more likely for the defendant to press for a false allegation. Much like when someone attempts a lawsuit and fails it raises the probability for a successful counter suit.
I’m also basing this off of legal systems in other parts of the world where rape victims have a very difficult time getting a legal victory, and face very stiff penalties if they lose their case. There’s a reason why many women in these places simply refuse to come forward.
As I said before, there’s a tedious balance here between protecting the innocent but not deterring real victims.
i’m more interested in why there wasn’t a jury. since he was 20 at the time, it seems like he most likely waived his right to a jury trial which turned out to be a big mistake. it does seem crazy that you could that much prison time for something that you supposedly did as a minor, though. if he had been “caught” when he was 14 for that shit, he’d have gotten like a year or 2 in juvie, but instead he gets 7.5 years in big boy prison? the game is fucked.
as far as the chick, yeah i know most people are gonna be on some “fuck that bitch and i hope she gets raped in prison, blahblah”…but shorty was 16-17 and catching heat from her (apparently) religious mom, so i can’t really be that gung ho for a super strict punishment.
Shitty or overbearing parents is no excuse for lying about rape, should we give light sentences to everyone who has ever had something go wrong in their lives? I had a super strict religious mother(who lightened up in later years), am I free to go smash into and rob a store? What if I came from a wealthy background instead, constantly saw my parents get off scot-free for several incidents, and ended up killing people in an accident? Should I get a slap on the wrist because of my background and irresponsible parents?(Oh wait…)
edit: Satirical comments aside, that you can be(and have people advocate for) let off for lying about rape(regardless of the consequences, see the other case where a girl lied about rape and the guy she accused was beaten to death, her sister and male associates caught the rap but the accuser got praised for her “courage” and let go) yet serve time for something silly as possessing pot is pathetically sad.
the point wasn’t that she has shitty parents, the point is that she was 16. just like the concurrent point that i made that the dude was 14 when the incident supposedly happened.
btw for anyone curious what case I’m talking about; I’m referring to the Luke Harwood killing,
All three of the killers went down, but not the accuser(who was the sister of one of the killers, yet informed on all three of them after the killing took place and ended up not receiving any charges).
so thurst and evo, since the killers were acting on false information, and the actual accuser got the type of light penalty(none) that the “sensible”(i.e. not “wife-beating misogynist rape enablers”)people tend to be asking for, shouldn’t the killers also not get jail time? I mean they were obviously acting out of passion for the girl’s rape, and shouldn’t be to blame for their actions due to the lie, right?
the accuser didn’t commit a crime or even tell anybody to commit a crime so why should she be punished? and just to keep it all the way 100, just because police “found that a rape didn’t occur” doesn’t mean that it didn’t actually happen so she could’ve been telling the truth and that guy could’ve actually been a rapist…but what difference would it make? brutally murdering and mutilating people is still a crime, is your point that sometimes it’s okay to brutally murder and mutiliate others? if so, that’s a pretty stupid point.
well, except she told the boyfriend and friend that, that guy raped her, and even was there LAUGHING while he was being beaten to death, then after it was done, drove him to a river bank to “finish him off”. i know thats not in the link he posted, but here you go. she was an accessory to murder, and paid for it. so im not sure what the debate on her is about. she got 15 years for her contribution to the murder.
I should know better, but hey what the fuck: random ramblings on the topic at hand and some of the responses therein.
There absolutely should be serious ramifications for being caught falsely reporting crimes, and especially if an innocent has been imprisoned, unjustly put on a sex offender registry, or otherwise lost their livelihood and well-being. False rape is factually way less of a problem than, you know, rape, but that doesn’t mean a false rape accusation should go unpunished.
If you honestly can’t see the value in leniency for coming forward, you’re an idiot. Everyone saying that coming forward should result in a reduced punishment isn’t advocating the rampant false reporting of crime, they’re understanding human nature. That is: if person X is going to get punished the same way regardless of whether they came forward or got caught, there’s no incentive to come forward, and falsely accused person Y is potentially never cleared. Seriously, stop the strawmanning, the slippery sloping, the bullshit and actually think about it for a second.
There’s little consequence for judges who make these sorts of boneheaded rulings, afaik. That needs to change, but it’s not exactly an easy fix.
Why did she tip off the police? That doesn’t even make any sense.
Anyway that’s the reason you want to live in a better area and carry a gun with you at all times. Human beings are for the most part utterly worthless and extremely dangerous in groups. Of all the ways to die that has got to be the shittiest, just getting beaten to death by multiple people. Everyone always thinks they’re tough in a group, it’s sickening. Society is always much more civilized when the common citizen is armed, and not just the criminals.
The actual point was that a person *shouldn’t be excused for crimes of any kind(whether falsely reporting rape nor “brutally murdering and mutilating others”)because of having a crappy background, being misled, or whatever else. Though that you made the silly inference that I was implying she should either be punished for brutally murdering people when she didn’t was cute. (though she certainly should have had some responsibility at least for manslaughter since her actions lead to the death of another person, whether she intended it to or not, and you do know that manslaughter is actually a crime right? I mean since we’re asking stupid questions and playing logical gymnastics over in thurstland).
oh and flagged specs just for whining about being flagged, much love man.
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