I get tired of seeing people get off to saying how often they win online and their ranks. It doesn’t mean shit, because it is online. There is never a solid connection with anyone, and there are many things people can abuse online. The worst ones are Gouki, Ibuki, Necro, Makoto, and Urien. It is easy to spam certain things and win, because you can’t punish with the connection issues. The whole purpose of 3soe is to meet new people and have fun with the casual gaming. Nobody should take online seriously(cause fuck i don’t), and try to enjoy the game while we still have the opportunity to play it. The really good players will win majority of the time, but even they will lose here and there. If you beat them a few times, then that doesn’t make you better then them lol. How is that consistent? There are some people talking shit on strong players(Ryan for example), but you could only imagine reaching their accomplishments. Ryan is highest ranked player from United States in Japan. How the fuck can your online achievements beat that? lmao…Let’s get real noobcakes, because the reality is very clear. Online play is for fun and casual gaming. Nobody takes it very serious, but I know some of you do like your life depends on it. When you keep talking about things, then it is only making you look like more of an ass each time. Please, STFU and play the game.
Yo, online spinkicks are SO FUCKING BROKEN. 90% of the Uriens out there can’t do SHIT against spin kick spam.
Other than that, your post 100%
Rollback is fucking intense sometimes online. Quite a few people don’t even realize they abuse it but it does cater to certian charaters more than others. I try not to wake up super but I do when I see an obvious tell. So many times does action rollback and I get a blocked super with full punish. Or a verified hit confirm on my screen and it rolls back and did not connect at all or the opponent gets a parry and punish. Playing Q is frustrating but it’s nearly heartbreaking against good players online some days. So many things can be abused. But I think it’s safe to say there are good players in North America online and offline, but telling everyone they suck or calling out another player is lame. Just kills an already dwindling community.
People tell others they suck to keep them in check. If they run their mouth about stupid shit, then name calling usually attracts the attention. It never starts off negative, and usually players try to give advice. Other people take it the wrong way as criticism, then go into defensive mode. They start to throw insults or lose control, so the name calling comes in to attract their attention and make them understand the main point. Everyone in the 3s community would help each other out if they asked questions, but there needs to be an understanding. If a player better than you critiques your game, then take that advice with honor. You can always learn from people that are better than you. That is a good way to level up, because those good players have the experience. They took time and many losses to reach that level. Many people that don’t understand 3s take the advice incorrectly and get their feelings hurt. The negative insults only come out when other players get out of line. Everyone needs a wake up call now and then, so take that shit burger and swallow.
Hey man, I completely agree. That is the only way to get better and it motivates you to do better. Constructive Crit is important. But more often than not (this thread in particular) it’s just players calling each other down. It’s safe to say very few of us are great at 3S and very few of us will be on Japan’s level. But that does not mean we suck, I’m new to 3S but not fighting games and it can be down right insulting when people dismiss you as a poor caliber player. Many of us are just learning the game. A lot of this negativity in this thread is uncalled for and in poor taste.
I understand what you mean, and I think it is great that you are trying to level up and learn as much as you can. I respect you for playing a tough character, because he doesn’t have any good matchups lol. It shows you have love for the game to try to make a low tier character beastly. I noticed that most of the insulting comes when people are out of line with their comments. It is not said on first reaction, so I believe they are trying to get those players to grasp the main point and not run off into unnecessary jibberish.
I don’t mean to derail the thread but in an attempt to keep it fair there haven’t been too many established good american players that went to japan for long periods of time. I think we should focus more on the subject matter rather than the badges.
Post up videos. I want to see Ryan and Artayes play and if both will agree on a mediator we will allow that person to judge the outcome. Winning the match will not necessarily mean you win the argument because once again, it’s online, but at the very least we can get an idea of how each player plays and where the bar can be held and how to hold each player’s play accountable according to that bar.
Like if Artayes does some wacky full screen EX spinning lariat shit for the win, I’m not going to give it to him, I’m going to give it to the internet. Likewise if I just see Ryan hitting cross ups all day, I’m not going to grant him immunity simply because I know Artayes SHOULD be able to block it because once again, it’s online. Also, I am against dictatorships. I want proof.
Ryan you’re my boy, but I’m fucking bored of reading you two blab at one another. It’s not cute and if anything it reads like a playground scuffle which isn’t good for anyone.
realistically only probably like 10 people in the US can even hang with Japan.
and maybe 20 people can hang with those people.
everyone else is basically just trash.
so yeah, i’m going to go out on a limb here and say you do suck. usually the only people who care about things like this suck anyway.
not to say i don’t suck, i just don’t play for any other reason than the fun. but to get to that fun takes a lot of time and improving. thankfully the improving is also fun. telling someone they suck isn’t going to drive off anyone who actually likes 3S.
when did everyone become so emotionally fragile.
you are a poor caliber player until you become better. how are you not?
Played against a few of the top guys on the leaderboards yesterday for the first time.
played 3 games against kefkaggpo. those were alright. 2 of the matches were really close, and he obliterated me the other. I don’t think the Chun-Elena matchup is as lopsided as the tier lists make it.
played several games against OrejaDeVanGogh. I dunno who his main is, he beat me with everyone he played, including an Elena mirror. he seemed good.
caught one game against EvilRyu78. guy seems like kind of a dick. had an almost perfect going on me in round 2 and taunted as I was waking up. then taunted again at the end of the round. taunted at the end of round 3 as well. Ken feels like an impossible matchup for Elena anyway so that whole experience was irritating.
Also, I’m better than all of you. My hands just have the OE aids.
Thing is we did send American players to Japan, but none of them reached a high rank like Ryan. I am not saying they are bad players, but they are not as strong. Danisens prove skill, because you have to stay consistent to keep rank and move higher. Ryan is only American player that consistently participated ranbats, so I am only stating a fact. There is no comparison for Ryan and Artayes. You can see how they play against others from their videos. You can see the matchup knowledge, reactions, setups, and more. If they play each other, then it would only leave one salty as fuck wanting to do another set again saying shit like “it was my off day…I didn’t play my best” blah blah. I agree with Tebbo about the fragile issue. Any kind of tournament you will have trash talking, and people will try to get into your head to fuck your game up. That is common thing wherever you go. The Japanese do the same thing, but they like to taunt more in middle of rounds or for no reason to be funny. Does that mean you have to cry about it? It is the competitive nature to talk back and forth and try to prove your worth. That is what makes things even better when you put all that shit back in their mouths. How boring would it be just to play matches(even casual ones) with straight faces and no talking. I think I would shoot myself from the boredom. sighs
Yeah we sent American players to Japan but they only played there for a week at most. Ryan was there for months if I remember correctly. Danisens indeed prove skill but once again, you have to be there week after week in order for that skill to be acknowledged and within that pool of players to learn from that pool of players especially with 3rd strike where emotions play a huge role in match development.
I don’t think Artayes is going to do well either because I’ve played him and his methods are borderline gimmicks with a lot of lag tactic mixed in but he doesn’t seem to realize that and that being the case I can’t fault him. He didn’t have MOV come to his arcade. He didn’t play 3s with the American elite (Pyro, 5star, Amir, etc.) so he doesn’t know what it looks like when you win a match but didn’t necessarily beat the player. A win is a win is a win to him and many, 98%, of the community and there’s no refuting that in their minds. I, as a tournament player, didn’t really ever do much (few top 8s, evo 32s)but I got my recognition from players that I felt knew their shit through many smaller tournaments and small money matches here and there. I would ask these players to play me with their best and they would and it let me see what my game was missing. I don’t care if I don’t win tournaments. Why? Because of the methods required to win tournaments nowadays. This isn’t Japan, people here have no honor and a win through taking advantage of the system is all they care for because the community is gonna ride their dicks based solely on the fact that they have a single digit number next to their name on the tournament leaderboards. I don’t give a fuck if 20,000 Ken scrubs think it’s cool that I can’t play Ken well, they don’t know what I’ve conditioned myself to expect and losing because I expected more means very little to me beyond “Oh, I over estimated him.” They’ve lost or never had a firm grip on what it means to be good at a game. Sure, my mentality isn’t viewed as the right mentality by the majority but most of those guys don’t know the game as well as I do. They know their game, or a certain opponents game. I chose the objective approach, you could say.
As for the trash talking…
Why would you want to play someone that isn’t playing you at their best? That’s some serious scrub shit, no offense to you. This, to be honest, happened to me at wnf with this new SF4 community. I showed up with little to no knowledge about the game, knowing only what I learned from my time in 3s and was going on and off with the tops in the venue. This was a long time into the life of the game and do you know what they started doing every time I went up to play a match? Threats of violence and a few death threats. Why? Because I was better at the game when I didn’t even care about it. Why did I think they did it? Not a fucking clue. Why do I, now, think they did it? To throw me off my game. That death threat shit is some serious shit but I’m not about to turn around and try and fight or kill a mother fucker over a game. It’s not fucking worth it to put my life in jeopardy like that but just the same as a community they were all in it together and in the end it would be their word against mine. Which is why I’m trying to be objective about this because letting emotions cast a shadow over an issue like this is fucking stupid. It’s just a video game. Sure it’s a fucking awesome, bad ass, deeply satisfying video game but it’s still a video game.
So once again, I ask you. Why would you want to play against someone that isn’t playing you at their best? What do you have to gain from a situation like that?
I can speak like this because 3s brought introduced me to the idea of a martial connection with another through simple observation of an unrelated action. A player low fowards too quickly after my low forward tells me a) He’s new to the game and so the game is still growing +1 yay! b) he’s impatient c) he might be one step ahead of me with a buffered uppercut/super waiting for me. If after a few matches he continues to do this it tells me a) He doesn’t know what he’s doing b) Really likes buffering uppercut/super c) Has conviction d) Depending on the outcome of the last situation, needs to be taught not to do this. I will do my best to teach him simply because I want 3s to grow. I hate low forward spammers.
the thing is its a cross country connection between artayes and i, and a horrible one at that. he plays so fucking retarded online (i dont know if he plays different offline but im pretty sure its the same shit) that its not even 3rd strike. if you try and play 3rd strike you will get raped. you have to play in a way that you cant react to anything, you cant do any kind of hit confirms, you cant do anything post drillkick or through hook spam because youll get random mashed out magna storm, if you do a meaty his throw will just beat it somehow.
online with someone close is still bad but at least playable. me and metric had probably the best connection ive played and it still feels like shit. Its still fun to play when youre bored though.
yea i did have the most time in japan, and im not saying pyro or 5 star wouldnt rank above me if they had the same time but anyone that has been to danisen will tell you how fucking hard it is to even get passed like 6th dan. ive also won a tournament in japan and placed 2nd like three times, and a few other top 5’s and top 8’s.
realistically there are like 8 people in america who could hang with top players.
the ironic part to all this is i dont consider myself strong. i still improve all the time and i only think im decent at this game.
well in the grand scheme you’re like a solid player i guess?
someone who knows how to play and understands the game. but you’re no nuki or boss right? hahahaha
thats why i say everyone who isnt even at that level is just varying levels of trash. in the grand scheme. being strong in the US counts for something, just not a whole lot to the guys who have played in Japan. different scale.
I agree with you on everything, but I didn’t say I wanted to play someone who wasn’t at their best. I said if Ryan and Artayes played…one of them would be salty and come with excuses saying " i wasn’t playing my best blah blah".
Not refuting your skill, bro just trying to halt the hate a bit because after all we don’t need a 3s civil war on our fucking hands over a few spit wads. I think a big part of skill at any of these games is exposure to top players beyond youtube videos. It’s just not the same playing a match and realizing your options ATM set on by a single well spaced low forward hit, block or whiff.Give Artayes a year playing Ryan, Pyro and 5star and I’m sure he’ll be much better than the majority here. Some of us just got lucky. I didn’t have the chance to actually play WITH Pyro and 5star too often, I just always jumped at the opportunity to face off with them at the arcade no matter how much money it cost me. I wish I could’ve been one of the dudes that got invited to their secret 3s meets.Which is why I’m eternally grateful for the SD invites and why I don’t exactly go balls out just yet because I still have to pick on a lot of what I’ve missed and forgotten.
One day i’ll get to Japan, though. I’m just afraid that by then, no one will give a fuck. ;_;
you guys are hilarious!
I read through all your posts and wow…
all I really see is a bunch of bitter ass players that got beat by my ‘‘online tactics’’. get over it. if online didn’t matter at all, wtf is everyone still going on about?
and it’s sad everyone wants to analyze my game. don’t try, I switch it up every game. And I should be the only one doing that.
I know where I stand and I improve my game every day.
and dander, how many times have we ever played but maybe twice? so how can you make such ridiculous statements about me?
I play better offline as well. I played in over 20 tourneys overall and KNOW how to play safe and react to win. I play mainly or fun online and never wanted to prove anything from that except I can hang on there with any top players and have proven so time and time again…
and you idiots forget the name of this thread. it is ‘‘best players ONLINE’’, so I would fall in this category right now since I do play a lot online and win against 99 percent of my competition. you guys can wait and see me offline soon enough. I am willing anytime, but the anywhere part is what gets me. if any of you guys come out East, we can play. if I go out West, we can play.
until then, we all come to this conclusion. I am one of the best online players, even though some think that doesn’t matter, and the point of this thread IS about ONLINE players. and we cannot make any assumptions on my offline play, because that means I could do the same about yours, and mean the outcome would be the same=me winning. but we won’t do that, will we? because we KNOW that would be incredibly STUPID.
so we will leave it at that. I am done now and you guys can talk all the shit you want on me. you are not baiting me back in. unless someone has a legitimate question for me or something.
man, dude, that would be awesome. but my dream would be a year in Japan against Kuroda, MOV, Yakkun (his Necro and Yun), RX, DirtyMusic, etc
hopefully in a year or two. I would pay them a shit of money for the training. and just train and have fun with these guys every day for at least a whole year.
that could be a dream for any of us though.
and LOL about by the time you go, no one will care. let’s hope that is never the case, even if you are an old man by then. ;p
i dont start hating on anyone thats the thing.
the only reason i started talking shit to artayes is because he came in here gloating about how good he is and posted some wack videos saying basically he could beat anyone. also, one time i was playing him in some super laggy connection and i beat him over and over… yuuki joined the room so i booted artayes, artayes starts sending me all these shit talking messages on xbl. he is the only guy ive ever had to block on xbl lol. I felt i needed to bring artayes back down to earth, but he is still stuck in fantasy land.
of course he is going to reply to my post and say something like, “i smashes you 20-0 then you kicked me out because you were jealous of my super sick necro.”
there are some decent players online, and im not saying everyone sucks.
you need to toughen up man. it takes a lot of work and dedication before you make the jump from being shit to being ok at this game. with Q, it will take you even longer. if you want someone to tell you youre good even though you are a beginner, then i dont know what to tell you.
yep exactly!
i think youre thinking about the past too much. forget the past! think about the future.
of course, playing the best will help you improve, but it doesnt happen instantly. to me, even 1 year is too short to actually learn this game.
I will share the secrets to being good at 3rd strike.
the 4 requirements to being good. by ryan
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practice your combos. if you cannot hit every single of your characters combos 100% of the time you will lose a lot more than you should. if you play urien then you need to hit tth every single time. you need to hit the midscreen ub whenever you get the chance. if you play ken, then you cant miss low strong super, you cant miss kara shoryu. execution is really overlooked by our current generation of players.
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game knowledge. self explanatory. know everything inside and out about the game. study and watch videos. speaking for myself, i probably spend 3-4 hours just watching videos and learning. not only watching for entertainment but analyzing exactly whats going on.
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being able to react instantly to every single situation in the game. its hard to explain, but once you reach a certain level in 3rd strike, you can play without even thinking. things will come out instinctively. boss, nuki, rikimaru etc. they are the best in the world at this.
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this is the most overlooked skill in 2012. playing h2h vs human being is completely different than playing in the privacy of your own drinking mt dew in your whitey tightys. when you play a really skilled player in real life you will get nervous. anyone that has experienced this knows exactly what im saying, and im not even talking about tourneys!! im talking about casuals.
I might think of more but thats it for now.