but you could just go to the strategy forum no?
YES. I would LOVE something like this.
Like a 2 hour Q and A lecture where the top from each game can answer questions and discuss strats about basic gameplay and such?
DC Total Control Plus 2 and Innovation PSX–>DC adapters both do. There are a couple of others but those are the ones that I have used.
Yeah, you know plus if they just had some general preprepared stuff to say about there game/games and shit.
. . . None of which are tournament games at Evolution. All tournament games at Evolution have the same default button layout, except for Guilty Gear which is defaulted for a pad (and takes about two or three seconds to configure since you can just select “stick” in the options). Ideally the “stick” setting would just be the default setting for tournaments, but I don’t see the tournament organizers bothering to set options for all the games before the tournament since they didn’t bother for 3rd Strike this year.
And we can all sit and wait 30+ minutes in the finals while people re-configure the buttons and get comfortable with doing dragon punches and custom combos in training mode.
No headaches, everyone will know the rule that training mode and button config is banned for every game so if you bring a shitty, ghetto stick to Evo you will just have to play with your buttons in the wrong places. If you can’t take 10 minutes to open it and fix it, or spend the money on a retail joystick, why should you be allowed to play in a national tournament with strict rules and time constraints in place?
Or you could open up your joystick and fix it in 10 minutes or less. If you don’t know how to solder, get a friend to help you. This is easy, easy soldering though that an elementary school kid could do. You can get a soldering iron + solder from Radio Shack for under $20 if you don’t already know someone with these things (and you probably do since you play fighting games).
Come to think of it, random note–I think if anyone ever suggested that we all waste several hours at a tournament watching people reconfig buttons and play training mode on a message board such as Shoryuken, they would be shot for being retarded. Granted, it’s not the same, but it’s somewhat similar.
Here’s what it would be like, actually–imagine if at Quakecon, it wasn’t easy to map keys and took at least 2 or 3 minutes for each competitor to do. Afterwards, to get comfortable and make sure they set them right, they practiced rocket jumps for a few more minutes. Finally, in the grand finals when tons of people are watching, they took even more time to do these things since it’s the finals and they have to make extra-sure their controls work perfectly. Pretty ridiculous, huh?
we missed you on IRC :sad:
Green Valley Lost My Sticks
Hey, I posted something simliar in the EVO bad experiences thread but just to warn others…
I sent my 2 MAS sticks to the hotel ahead of time as I could not carry it on the plane. The hotel then said they never got them, then when I pointed out it was signed for, they launched an “investigation.” They would not do anything until the “investigation” was finished. Well, EVO ended before this and I flew home. Then the hotel feels the few days I was comp’d for my inconvenience was enough for my sticks. They told me that this was separate from compensation for my sticks. If I knew they were going to do this, I would have gotten a refund and checked out from day one.
I love SRK and efforts of the EVO staff. Hate Green Valley Ranch and will never go back. Please have it back in Cali. Rooms are cheaper and it was just as fun if not more.
Seriously, not running Arcade hardware is a stupid ass joke
Oh, and backing out of your vote thing was damn stupid too. It seemed like “oh shit KOF might win and actually get some play, quick think of something”
people use their stick to play games other than tournament games at evolution. im not saying a great majority use their stick for games like Ikaruga or whatever the hell else at home or something, but they might.
“Strict rules and time constraints in place”, I’m not sure which tournament youre talking about here?
I understand that its not difficult to fix your stick but it might be more difficult for some. As for messing around in training, people should be told to keep it reasonable. It wasnt a problem at Texas Showdown at all. If its kept within reason its a marginal time waste. Getting people registered and to the right pools at the right time is the big hold up on time. Allowing people to go into training mode for one minute isnt the reason why shit gets thrown off. Its a slight time waste, but whats the cost of enforcing such a default setting rule? As I’ve said before: weird rule breaking/grey DQs, creating problems for people who like to have a different layout for their stick, and annoyances for pad users.
I think youre blowing it out of proportion. People are allowed a few minutes to get their controls fixed up at LANs. Allowing them to practice rocket jumping (just as practicing dps is) and whatever else is a different concern and should be addressed.
As said before, a strong encouragement for people to use default settings should be in place. Let them go into training mode for a few seconds and everything should be rolling along just fine. It wont totally throw off the timing of the tournament, it’ll be less anal and more gamer friendly.
Let’s figure out a way to fix the real timing problems (you know, the ones that waste hours upon hours) of a tournament before DQing customized button layout users and annoying pad users for spending a minute in training.
It sounds like this would fix a lot of problems. Give them free entry and don’t let them play any tourneys or something. I feel that a lot of SRKers would jump at the opportunity to a) save money b) wield power c) help out the community.
Yep, lack of staff has plagued the last two Evos pretty heavily. At Evo2K4, there was literally NOBODY THERE to run the 3rd Strike tournament, but Mopreme and Mike Lai stepped up, made the bracket, and ran the whole tournament. Yes, group of SRK guys that run tournaments is pretty small, but there needs to be about 3 times the amount of people running things to make things go smoothly. Hopefully a volunteer system or something else will be set up to ensure that next year’s Evo is properly staffed.
The other suggestion I have still is that it really wouldn’t be a bad idea to run one game at a time instead of running 5-6 games at once. Not only does running all of the games at once make it hard to find people to play, but it randomly disqualifies unknown people who are playing other games. You could just set aside 2-3 hours per pool per game, and have every console set-up in the room running just the one game. Since it’s a specific 2-3 hour time span, everyone can show up on time and stay in the room/area for that short span (and risk disqualification otherwise). The biggest thing I observed this year is that running every game at once is total chaos. One game at a time just seems like it would be much smoother. Yes, what Seth said is true (lots more people showed up than expected) but nonetheless you’re going to run into more problems no matter what when you try to run every game simultaneously.
Anyway I’m done complaining/making suggestions! Ready for Evo 2K6 =D
would they even have enough time to run each game separately? I know it seemed that at MWC, AE that only had like 20 people come in took a couple hourss to complete. Now increase that number by 20-30 times and there is no way to get it all done in a day.
i 3rd, 4th, and 5th the notion that evo2k6 needs more staff
That’s on one arcade machine. Evo has 20+ console/TV set-ups. So, let’s increase your hypothetical number 20 times, which makes 400 people (more people than any tournament has ever had at an Evo), and if it ran at about the same rate as the MWC tournament then it would still take a couple of hours to complete. Things get so much easier when you use math!
Yeah, it’s totally obvious that if you set EVERY console to one specific game, you can run 15+ pools at once AND you don’t have to worry about people playing other games at the same time so each pool will run waaaaay faster. Everyone was present for the 3s pool I was in this year, and it took 10 min. max to run. I think running 1 game at a time is the best idea yet! And the second best idea is having a set button layout everyone has to use!
Math is great when you use it correctly. To summarize. 20 man times 20-30 (what I said) would be 400-600. Then you wanna increase that number by 20 times so 8000-12000?
But not minding your useless 20times more lets go with mine.
That would be perhaps 20 set ups (pools of 20) each taking about 3-4 hours to complete. After than you have the final 20, which is still another 3-4 hours. So 6-8 hours of of just one game. Now keep in mind we had 6 more games for Evo. There wouldn’t be any way to complete all of the tournaments like that in just one weekend. Unless you don’t mind starting at 9am and go one to 3-5pm for the first game and then immediately start anothe game to last 9-1am. Just to repeat the whole thing on saturday. And even then by sunday they’d only complete 6 games, while there were 7games at evo this year so it’d have to carry onto Monday or start it earily on thursday.
fubarduck used math correctly. i think you misunderstood him.
anyway, carry on.
possibly, but not likely.
It seems like some of the stick configuration during the finals was completely unnecessary, and was a result of people either being overly cautious or not knowing how to navigate an options menu.-_-
One minor thing…during ST, I noticed you could set the speed in the options menu, instead of allowing the players to choose. Seems like that would’ve been ideal, considering there were a few re-starts due to hasty selection, resulting in the wrong speed being chosen.
Overall I had a blast. The delay on Friday sucked but from what I understand it was 'cause Evo got fucked in the ass at the very last minute. That being said, it probably would’ve helped to just add two hours to each pool’s start time, and specify that new time as when people should be there for sure.