Maybe to you and me. But when you ask top players and they say its lagging, it tells a different story. Im speaking for marvel cause i talked to some of the top players and they all said there was noticeable lag. The fact they were all using te sticks is another significant factor. They all said they could not use there mas sticks cause of lag. I say again it was the monitor. I have a ps3 and when i try to play on a hdtv(hdmi or not) it lags. But when i hook it up to a crt/tube tv it plays fine.
I guess it wont matter now for the marvel scene cause that was the last mvc2 tourney for evo but i still think there will be issues on other games. I even heard t6 players were complaining. It really is something that should be looked into by evo staff.
I think some people need to be aware that the lag on pretty much anything HD is variable. I have the vh236h and after some careful testing, the lag can be anywhere from 0 to 16 ms (im not counting the outliers I got with 23 and 27 ms, probably just a freak occurence). While that only translates to 1 frame of lag AT BEST, it can happen at any time, which is most annoying in music games that demand the consistency of CRTs. So, HD solutions are still imperfect, but they do come close.
Daigo refused to play on the bigscreen ASUS on stream, which was the setup that lagged.
It might have been due to the signal splitting but some people are just that sensitive. Tekken players for example. We need every single frame available for punishment and throw breaking, which seems harder on an ASUS than on a CRT.
They are not all big and they much cheaper than monitors. You are talking about HD ones which would just make them heavier monitors. The whole point of using a CRT is that it not be HD.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
showcasing how bad the audio was on the TVs on the back left of the room where Marvel was being run. You can’t hear anything. And this is during a quiet time in pool 3 (middle of the room, really): there pretty much was no audio at all in pool 1. If you watch some of MegamanDS’s videos you’ll see he’s not following up on stuff that he usually would… I personally feel that’s because there’s no audio cues. I was having the same problem myself.
Bringing external speakers might not be a bad idea to gain that extra “know what you’re doing” edge.
they later switched to alienware monitors and blind tested tokido and nin, neither of which could tell the difference between when it was and was not split.
they still maintained that the pool stations didn’t lag but the stage did, even when when the stage setup was setup the same [directly connected to an alienware monitor].
i’ve spent time with the monitor. again, they do not have speakers. if they did, EVO wouldn’t need to use external speakers, as that’s just an added cost if the monitor had them already. plus, the spec sheet would indicate that it had, say, dinky little 3w speakers or something.
This is actually the reason I was dropped to losers. I felt really bad delay, and I know I’m not crazy.
I played on 2 screens, and both had some delay, one actually more so than the other. I asked my opponent after the match if he felt delay, and he confirmed that it did. One of the people I was with had also quit after his first match because he thought it was his remote, but I’m pretty sure it was the monitors. After we got back to our place, his remote was working fine.
I actually had to ask around, because I wanted to be sure I wasnt the only one experiencing this, and it seems more people had the same problem with the TV’s.
To chime in on marvel, I wasn’t there at but I have had the Asus monitor since last year. It works perfectly fine for tekken 6 and ssf4…but it lags for marvel ever so slightly and I mainly play on ps3. You can feel the difference immediately when played side by side a crt. I guess it doesn’t matter if it’s gone next year but I don’t need to hear anybody else’s complaints to know that this is true. The only reason I still have a CRT TV in my room is for ps3 marvel.
they used alienware monitors this year, which lag less than the asus’. the asus’ don’t lag on average, but the average lag of the alienwares is lower overall.
lag may be the case for marvel – it may be the PS3 port of the game – until tests are done, no one really knows.
everyone complaining about lag should make it more of a point to make themselves heard next year – as far as i’ve heard hte only ones really complaining about a slight lag were the foreign players. no one else really came out and said anything about it. If they’re unaware that an issue exists, or think it’s a very very minor issue because maybe 5 out of 2000+ people complained, then how are they supposed to fix it?
in any case, i still think it’s a case of playing on an unfamiliar setup plus tournament jitters plus other external factors…i mean, if the same people that complained about the stage setup [while thinking pool setups were OK] couldn’t tell the difference…
i’d also be willing to bet that alienware, with a long history in gaming, probably put more R&D and testing (not to mention money to carry these tasks out) into these monitors than a simple subjective test by handing it to a gamer and asking them if it lags. I’m sure they went all out, especially with their big claims, and using SF to market it, to make sure that their product is one of the best on the market, if not THE best, especially considering the price premium.
No offense but why would you assume that – TV/monitor companies don’t care about lag, they care about a good-looking picture that looks good. I’m sure alienware is a nice company, but catering to the fighting-game crowd with a TV that completely cuts out lag was probably not the top bullet point on their agenda, regardless of its branding. People working at TV/monitor companies probably don’t even know that even HD content generally lags on HDTVs, and if they do I doubt they know the extent or care.
Look at the “official” controllers SF games have had over the years. And that’s a product made with one task in mind, and they still usually screwed it up (until MadCatz).
yeah, the no sound was almost as annoying to as the lag on the tvs. good luck listening for secret hypergravs or assist calls while in SJ mode ROFL (sound is very important for a game with like 3 stage levels stacked vertically+ a fast game)
Hey Cicada, Thanks for the testing and the responses you got about the monitors at evo. I have a question, since Alienware sponsored the event were you or anyone able to try out the slightly larger 3d capable, Alienware optx 2310? The test results you posted on your blog about the 2210 really impressed me but I would’nt mind paying a little more premium for a bigger screen with 3d capabilities to boot. Also do you think you can explain as to why in your original test the screen was actually 10 ms faster (through dvi) then the crt? Shock it up to your crt having a slight delay or is the alienware really so bad ass? If thats how they were set up at evo maybe that would explain some people’s complaints the game was responding to quick lol.
did anyone bother to check that the monitors were set to “game” mode.this matters a lot,also the games and ps3 have to be configed right.this was probably not the case and led to a lot of people feeling lag on lag free setups.
