Evo should put together a “Do You Want To Play Like A Pro?” page with what they Officially Recommend and Use for Evo so that everybody gets used to that setup over the course of the preceding year.
I agree with Beats that the monitors we were using seemed a tiny bit sluggish, but then again it’s Marvel where everything happens in a heartbeat. Most other games on the planet are slower. =\
question: do most of you play on a system other than PS3?
keep in mind that it may not be the monitor but the difference in console speed or version of the game [ie you normally play marvel on DC, but marvel was held on PS3 this year]
this is the most logical conclusion we could come up with after the japanese/korean/taiwanese players failed a blind test on whether they felt lag or not on the stage setup.
One of the things I hate about hdtv’s is that when you play on the floor you get a black glare over the screen. The alienware monitors handle that way better than the asus as long as you don’t pick a dark stage, or a stage with any kind of shadow.
My eyes aren’t perfect, so that also factors in, but if crts were used this wouldn’t be a problem. I know that will never happen, and I don’t know if anyone besides me has that problem.
Good to know man thanks for doing the tests and posting the actual results pics/vids instead of just saying yay/nay.
The Alienware displays were top notch, I felt zero lag personally. I didn’t have the chance to play on the Asus ones so I cannot say. Any missing of combos I did was because it was EVO and high pressure/adrenalin, period.
I’ve played on mvc2 on PS3 enough to notice the differences between ps3, xbox, and DC. PS3+crtv mind you. PS3+those monitors was an entirely different timing. Of course, it looked a hell of a lot shinier/HD-ier, but seemingly with some sort of lag.
I haven’t touched xbox or DC marvel for a while now. only ps3 here and there. was playing ps3 on crtv nearly the WHOLE day before and for a lot of the day before that day.
I pretty much practiced on what I thought we would play on, and then came the asus hd monitors.
Quoting myself again just in case anyone missed it. My boyfriend and I, along with many other people, have tested it alongside a crt monitor, and there is essentially no lag. We got both of ours for $135 on sale (but we were stacking multiple discounts, they usually don’t go that low even on sale), otherwise they’re around ~$180 normally. Less than half the price of the alienware monitor, and it’s larger.
Why are any games played on HD monitors? I seriously do not understand the reasoning behind this. It certainly can’t be cost constraints, because I’m pretty sure HD monitors are more expensive than a tube TV equivalent. The fact that tube TVs are heavier is a valid point, but if you’re talking about a major international tournament with months of prep time, I don’t see how the weight of a tube TV would be the reason behind not using them. Availability perhaps? You certainly cannot go to your local big-box store and expect to find tube TVs, although they are plentiful from other sources such as ebay, craigslist, thrift stores, etc. This may be the most pressing issue I can see as tube TVs are no longer being produced (to the best of my knowledge) or supported by the major electronic manufacturers and retailers.
Am I missing something?
There was definite lag on those tvs during marvel and probably other games. If you noticed every player from top 8 had to use a te. Its the monitor. Should have used an old tube tv. Would have had no problems. Ps3 cant be played on HD tv without lag(even with a te, there is still a fraction) i dont think. There was a huge thread about it in the tech section.
I’ve experiance lag on “an old tube tv”
CRT =/= lagless
tubes can still lag.
but above that, space/transportation is the major issue.
yes they are more expensive, but taking into account space and transportation, the benefit of having a smaller footprint means less space taken up, which means the possibility of renting a smaller venue if possible [not as mcuh space being taken up by stations], which means more stations, which means more efficiency, which means saving on transportation to the venue, which means…etc etc etc.
so then the asus monitors must lag for ages then…
i seriously thing the issue of lag is largely in peoples’ heads. there’s so much variance in what people are used to playing on that when they go somewhere else, any difference in timing or setup is going to screw with them, and it’s easy to blame it on lag because the topic has no real cut and dry answers.
i play mostly on PS3. when i play on xbox, i drop combos sometimes due to the slight game speed difference.
or if i hook my ps3 up to a different TV, i may be able to hit something 100% on the TV i normally play on, but on the new TV, i’ll hit it maybe 80%. simple cop out is that it lags or there’s something wrong with the equipment.
nerves can also be a factor when it comes to tournament play, especially if you’re not used to the environment.
the only thing i can offer is the quantitative tests i’ve done on both the asus and alienware monitors [among others] – and those say that the lag is minimal to the point where it is not detectable in a video game.
I think you’re overestimating that space that is saved. Regardless of which you use, the same amount of space is being eaten up by the width of the screen. You may be able to place HD monitors directly back to back on a table (4 to a table, 2 on each side), but you can do the same with tube TVs if you stagger them so they’re backs aren’t touching.
perhaps
but transportation costs are still an issue.
they could have fit all of the alienware monitors in a small u-haul and still had space to bring more stuff. not so with tubes.
I’ve rented a mid-size U-Haul before, it wasn’t very expensive. If you have to rent two trucks instead of one, but you get a better end product and happier customers, then isn’t that just the cost of doing business?
while it may be true, you still can’t please everyone.
the qualitative tests have shown that the monitors do not lag. If someone is used to playing on whatever 32-42-50" LCD they have at home [which may or may not lag – but i’m willing to bet on the fact that it does lag if it’s that large] – then coming to EVO and playing on a monitor that doesn’t lag is going to throw them off, wether it’s a CRT or not [and CRTs CAN lag].
Again, there’s so much variance in setups and other external factors that have bearing on the perception of “lag”.
even if they used a Vewlix head 2 head setup on stage, inevitably someone would complain becuase they missed their 1-frame link that they “hit 100% at home”.
It’s true that CRTs can lag, but out of every small or major tournament I’ve been to, I’ve only found one that did it, at this small tourney in Scranton, PA. It’s not a common thing.
I don’t think anyone is accusing the Evo TVs of lagging LESS than their usual TV. The thing with Marvel is that Marvel heads don’t play the next-gen version seriously, so if anything it was the version itself + HDTV both potentially being issues.
Regardless of argument, two points:
Evo is going to use HD monitors for all HD games.
MvC2 will not be back at Evo as a main game, so it will be back to DC/CRTs as a side tourney next year
Oh yeah: I know at least one of the MvC2 PS3 setups had the sprite filter on (which I noticed and sadly fixed after a bunch of games had been played on it), so that should have caused lag too. MvC2 NG should be set to 4:3 and the Classic sprite filter.
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