maybe it hasn’t been made clear enough.
evo won’t ban something unless it’s console-only(not even sure if this happens 100%) or gamebreaking.
judgment:
fucking stupid? yes.
gamebreaking? no. :sad:
so, unless you want to try to change evo policy or prove how judgment is gamebreaking, stop spamming. :wasted:
ditto
There are some people who would argue that time limits are not a legitimate way to determine a winner. But it is legitimate. Just like judgement.
Everybody needs to chill about the judgement rule. How many double KOs are going to happen out of the million matches played at Evo? Maybe one? Who cares. What else would have want them to do, hold up the whole tourny so you and your opponent can set your match again? If you’re worried about losing a judegement, and you really don’t like the rule that much then don’t play.
Edit:
You guys are debating too much. The rule is there and its not going to change. People are getting way off topic here talking about using secret characters in Tekken, using Akuma in SuperT and such. I’m not saying judgement isn’t 100% OK with me but it makes sense. Plus how many of you are going to even place at Evo? Chances are if you’re bitching about judgement decisions for the win, you aren’t too confident in your ability to just play the game and win.
Judgement is perfectly fair. There is programming and specifoc rules that make judgemnmetg decisions take a side. The best player is the one that wins the game. If no player is good enough to win, the best would be the one that manages a tie playing as close as possible to the judgement rules.
Of course it may not be optimal to play thinking of judgement ruke and what not, but your strategy is your problem. If you don’t like the judgement rule, start playing infinite time matches against your family cause you have no place at Evo.
Edit: A good idea would be to take the 2 players out, just like every Street Fighter machine ever did. And then they can’t complain about judgement.
You don’t lose because of judgement. You lose because you suck. Its not like you would’ve win if there’s no judgement. Just don’t go to Vegas and you won’t go to jail as well. Nobody will miss you anyway. Everybyody will be busy watching the japanese spank your friends and all.
Jufgement is unfair, throwing is unfair, beating you is unfair. Grow up and play like a man, shot boy.
Thats how US plays it in many sports (playoffs). In Europe, Asia and even suth America leagues may decide positions by drawing a piece of paper out of a hat/flipping a coin. In many european soccer leagues, if two teams have the samenumber of points, goals, victories, past direct confrontation results, etc…, the luckiest gets the position . It is extremey rare, and probably will never decide a tourney. Just like judgment, but judgement is more fair, because it hassome objective criteria.
what you’re saying is that the entire 3S community sucks then TYou don’t even now how that shit works and wants to ban it? You don’t even know if its gamebreaking and wants to ban it? we should’ve banned Cable’s AHVB then, because it could be gamebreaking as well (we didn’t know at MvC2 day 2, did we?). Seriposuly, learn the fucking game and then you may talk about it. If the entire community sucks, you should understand the game a little better before baning stuff.
Judgenent is exactly like RCs, AHVB, TimeOuts and throws. Until it really affects the game, you let this stuff in there. Until yu understabd it, you let it in there. People don’t like judgement, people don’t like throws (both are cheap, right?). Learn to deal with it.
If judgement ever breakes any tourney, then it may be banned. AHVB broke B4 nationals and wasn’t. WM/GWM broke some ECC at MvC1 and was kept in game. Judgement never really affected anything, and you barely know how it works.
MOPREME - “In every Street Fighter game before hand, in the event of a double KO or a time out with equal energy in the last round, both players lose their game. Therefore the match is replayed.” - The match is NOT repalyed. You both lose your coins and whoever is in line sends you to the back. This can be used ibna tourney, of course. Unless its the final game, you eliminate both players who aren’t capable of winning and the guy who would face them gets an automatic bye. Yeah, this is nice. Lets make it like old Capcom programming and take thsoe tiers out of the tourney. Or, lets make it like 3rd Strike and let judgement keep one guy there.
SCAMP - "n arguments like these, you’ve got to take into account the consequences if such an event would happen in the finals. What if Daigo Umehara lost to Mopreme in the Grand Finals because of Judgement? " - Yeah, and what if pigs could fly?
Judgement is a good thing because it makes the game more complex, just like time. Now you have to take energy bars, time and judgment into account. Witjout it, you have only 2 things to worry about. Without time, only one. And many players believe that is also best to play without throws, combos or Chun Li…
Better - Instead of readig all teh shit I wrote, box summed it up in a single line, much beter than I could:
That’s it. If you can’t play without whiffing moves and running like a little biatch, that is your own fault and you should fear judgement as much as you fear the clock (or 1/1000 as much)
well good thing the “No judgement rule” was in effect when daigo played ricky. Otherwise we could have been deprived of one of the most exciting final sets ever (KO vs Daigo).
Judgement would have been a total non-issue had it occured at a less crucial moment without any famous players involved. And i think most of it also had to do with the fact that Ricky had won round one (if judgement had been enforced, daigo would have been ELIMINATED), thus making the tournament directors having to painstakingly restore the exact state of the match (super bars, etc). If it had happened during round one, they could have just started up a new match.
It’s not game-breaking because it happens rarely, but it is retarded. For all that support it (for whatever reason), it IS retarded. Don’t tell me otherwise. If two player did nothing but let time run out, judgement would still pick a winner (based on zero inputs). Obviously that’s theoretical but its still bullshit.
If judgement occurs in the last round, last game of a final set, between say Alex Valle and Ricky, I think the outcry would be large. Personally I’m rooting for this to happen 
What if someone quoted my post from over two years ago over an issue that actually happened (in the way that steam3 just pointed out) and then added a non-sequiter reply?
Makes me wonder what the point of the quote is in the first place. I know why I wrote it, and that point still stands. If you have a rule, then you need to understand what the rule could potentially do at every point of the tournament.
By the way, my opinion of Judgement has changed since way back when, but you are a certified internet jackass. Good day sir.
Yeah that guy’s retarded. I think that’s one thing we can all agree on.
Judgment is retarded but not game breaking. Too bad you can’t ban stupid mechanics, especially when no one has a clear idea on how it works. Personally, I think banning judgment would make everyone happier, but that is just me. It would eliminate many debates and controversies.
If judgment really does happen that rarely, does it really matter if it was enforced?
Banning judgment would be better since so many people demands it and it being a small factor as stated.
This is all IMO and JMO.
This is quoted from mopreme:
“Anyways, here is how the 3s grading system works. There are 4 categories which you recieve points for: Offense, Defence, Technical, and EX points. The sum of those determine your grade. These grades range from G to MSF. The character with the highest grade wins the Judgement. If both characters have the same grade, the character with the higher score wins. If both characters have the same grade and same score, the 1p always wins.”
Odd, on the console my friend and I were checking this out and if you just left both players sit there, same character, and dont do anything and let the time run out, 2P won every time (3/3 times)
As I said, no one has a clear idea on how it works.
Sure we know the categories, but the grading factor was left out.
How do you gain points in the offense area?
How do you gain points in the defense area?
How does the engine grade you on technicality?
How much point does each action worth?
That’s what I meant.
Sorry to for my choice of structure.
I should had word it better.
Mert: Thanks for the input. I try it out right now and see what happens. I’ll edit in my results.
1st: Chun vs. Chun: Player 1 won both
2nd: Chun vs. Chun: Player 2 won both
3rd: Chun vs. Chun: Player 2 won both
4th: Ken vs. Chun: Player 1 won both
5th: Ken vs. Chun: Player 1 won both
6th: Chun vs. Ken: Player 1 won both
7th: Chun vs. Ken: Player 2 won both
8th: Chun (while performing Hyakuretsukyaku till match was over) vs. Chun: Player 2 won
9th: Chun (while performing Hyakuretsukyaku till match was over) vs. Chun: Player 2 won
10th: Chun (while performing Hyakuretsukyaku till match was over) vs. Chun: Player 1 won
It seems that once the computer chooses a side, it sticks with that side.
Though, this is when both players are not dealing any damage to each other.
I was expecting randomness but it seems to be direct.
Hmm interesting. I’ll try out some stuff later as well. Don’t whiffed attacks affect your grade, negativly? If so, shouldn’t the player whiffing the attacks always lose the match?
I don’t know. It was never mentioned, however, it seems kind of random even when you whiffed attacks. As I said before, it seems the results were predetermined. Once the computer chooses a side, it sticks with that side.
I wonder where Mopreme got his info from. It would have been more helpful if a link was included to back up his statement.
Hmm judgement is weird indeed, I think we can all agree upon that. The thing is people are only thinking of themselves when they don’t want judement in play. “What if I lose because of judgement”, “If I end up losing at Evo because ofjudgement I’ll be pissed.”. The thing is, everybody has to play by the judgement rules and it doesn’t disturb the balance of the game. Its a tiny, irrelevent rule that everybody needs to get over.
regarding the Judgement issue…these are my thoughts
if you don’t like Judgement, don’t end the game in a double KO or let the timer run out when you both have equal amounts of life…if you do then you’re just asking for a judgement
there are many ways to not even put yourself in that sort of situation
-my 2 cents
Question about one portion of the DOA4 rules.
* Wireless controllers are strictly forbidden. We will provide wired controllers for the XBox 360, or you may bring your own wired controller.
What if I bring a Wireless controller with a Charge and playkit, and when my match is over I pull out the battery, and hand it to a judge?
Since I play on a wireless controller since the Dpad works better for me I am concerned since after DDay (a doa4 tournament in virginia) I soon realized the wired dpad isn’t very consistant in hitting left, and right since the dpad is very narrow when compared to the Wireless.
I am a little concerned could one of the tournament organizers please get back to me on this? Thank you
The play and charge kit does not make your controller wired, the controller functions wirelessly and just uses the cable for power (which is why you can use a pc port to charge, but you can’t play on pc with the cable, because you can’t play on anything with the cable!). This is confirmed in the ms docs i will link to it later.