Gill is in the game and not a glitch. He was put there by CAPCOM on purpose. What is the difference between playing him and going by judgement?
A riot.
If Judgement comes late in the tournament and costs someone a few grand, you could be wrong 
Most rules are held to match the arcades. Gill cannot be used in the arcade, therefore banned. Akuma is not a default character in the arcades even though you could unlock it, therefore, banned.
Besides, both characters are broken as well. You’ll just limit the tiers to 1 character.
So far no one has given a good reason why judgement is explicitly the right thing to do. I’ve only seen arguments basically saying that it’s not so bad. Can someone explain why judgement is a good thing?
The only answer I can think of is that time can be saved by relying on the CPU judges instead of replaying the match. However, the same people defending judgement also say that around 1 out of everything 100 games will end in judgement. Will 1 replayed match in every 1000 screw up the schedule? Please explain.
The problem is that it IS part of the game, so they don’t have to give an explanation. :sad:
So… the only people that *need *to give explanations are those who want the judgment thingy banned. And the only criteria from Evo staff, for banning an in-game “feature”, is that it’s gamebreaking. So this argument will go nowhere.:wasted:
Just think about it this way… if your style of play makes you whiff a lot of moves, and your super doesn’t do 17 hits for crazy-score, then in that 1/1000 instance, you might want to take that extra risk to not make a draw-game.
And if you get a double KO in the third round… shit happens. 
Judgement is just another aspect of the game and should be included. It’s just like time limits.
I’m not too sure how judgement is scored… I believe they reward the character who is more offensive/parries more etc.
Now let’s look at time limits. Time limits help out with runaway. If there is no time limit, runaway = useless.
People are complaining that if judgement is in the game, they are forced to play in a different style. This is totally exagerrated seeing as how judgement happens so rarely… but sure… your play style is changed so that you have the best chance of winning.
How is this different from time limits? Time limits force you to play in a different style then if there were no time limits. Your play style is changed so that you have the best chance of winning.
Akuma isn’t banned because he’s a secret charater, he’s banned because he’s broken.
Judgement ISN’T a computer judge, its just a way to show who had a higher rank/score. Now if someone could post how rank is determined(not general things like whiffing moves lowers score, parrying raises score, but actually how much everything hurts/helps).
Good comparison to the timer, that applies to most, if not all of the valid arguments against judgement.
There are characters in tons of other games that have to be unlocked yet are still allowed in tournaments. IE 1/2 of TEKKEN. Weren’t Rog and Vega unlocked in A3? Banning a character b/c you can unlock them is not a valid argument.
Again, rules are set to match the console to the arcade. There is a lot of characters in the console that are hidden, but chances are, those characters would be set as default in the arcades.
Vega and Rog are useable in the A3 arcades I believe.
1/2 of Tekken characters are hidden in the CONSOLE, but set as default in the arcade.
I thought those were all time-release?
Yes, a lot of tekken 5 characters time-release… but they are still choosable in the arcades and thus not banned.
Also interesting to look at MvC2 characters in the arcades. They’re not time release, they’re based on the coin-counter. But the characters are choosable and thus not banned.
I haven’t read the CvS2 rules… but I believe Evil Ryu and Orochi Iori are banned as they are not available in the arcade versions.
I think the general rule is to ban characters that cannot be selected on the arcade version (Evil Ryu in CvS2)… and ban characters that are too broken (Akuma in Hyper SF2).
Anyway, I’m agree with the SRK staff and support Judgements being used. It’s an aspect of the game that you have to take into account when you’re playing.
If you whiff too many moves and don’t parry as much… you run the risk of losing the match should it come down to judgement. It’s your own fault for not taking it into account.
Just like with time limits. If you try to do something fancy, instead of running away when there’s five seconds left… you run the risk of losing the match and it’s your own fault.
You must take into account every single aspect of the game, and judgement is one of them.
<Cough> Akuma <Cough>
Gill in 3s and Akuma in ST have been determined to be gamebreaking.
Go and use Akuma at EVO when playing HSF2 casual and tell us the crowds’ reaction.
<cough> read it again<cough>
I think the general rule is to ban characters that cannot be selected on the arcade version (Evil Ryu in CVS2)… and ban characters that are too broken (Akuma in Hyper SF2).
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Big war- I think you’re going about this from the wrong direction. You’re arguing that since judgement is included, Gill in SF3, Akuma in HSF2 should be included. Not gonna happen no matter what you say because Gill and Akuma break the game.
You should be providing some points that judgement… like Gill in SF3 and Akuma in HSF2… is gamebreaking and should not be included.
Until there is anything that suggests that judgement is gamebreaking like gambit glitch or Gill in 3s or akuma in HSF2… JUDGEMENT STANDS!!! Get over it.
If I went all the way to Vegas and ended up losing to someone because of judgment, I’d shoot somebody in the face.
I don’t get how people can say “it helps the progression of the tournament if we use judgment” while using “it only happens 1 out of 1000 times” as an argument. If it only happens that infrequently, then replaying that one game won’t affect the overall efficiency of the tourney as a whole.
In conclusion, anyone who supports the use of judgment in a national tournament is retarded. Whether it’s part of the game or not, you need to stfu and never play 3S again or even talk about it.
Wow, someone wants to shoot ppl… guess that means it’s REALLY gamebreaking now… or maybe it means you need to chill out for a second before your next post.
After review, this post seems out of character for you (at least on srk), usually you seem pretty informed so i don’t know whats up, just chill with the threats.
Nice job interpreting that literally and making a totally useless post about it. But wait, you’re the same guy that thinks judgment is a legitimate way to determine a winner, so it makes sense.
I think there should be an arcade mode tourney. Everybody gets to and beats Gill and the highest score wins. It’s not gamebreaking, and the CPU and its false sense of skill gets to determine the winner, just the way FMJaguar likes it.
Edit: Yeah my bad, no hard feelings.
whoever loses to judgement just have to say to themselves that they did not WIN that particular round so they deserved the exit if the game says so, including tournament situtations when facing elimination