Evo 2013 Game Lineup?

Evo Championship Series
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I actually am not very good at BB, but I adore BB, so part of me is screaming a BB game in Evo2k13. Not expecting too much though. I think Anime games don’t get enough love in America. Sadly Anime here is associated with being a loser, a geek, an idiot, or xxx (insert insult that is very lame here), so no one trys them out, Which is a shame. I am an avid SFxT player, and no doubt, that game has serious issues, this 2013 patch should cover though, but it truly isn’t as bad as it looks. It is a very fun game. I think it is good for the players, not as good for the spectators though. I have never played guilty gear but I have seen past evos with it so it is a possibility but it has been hush-hush lately so I am not expecting that.

also at the KOF scene. That is sad. I never got into KOF but I loved watching it when I saw it occasionally, I thought the matches were pretty competitive and exciting at evo this past year. It is a shame to see a decent game go to waste. I guess I don’t need to many fighters to be par to satisfy my hunger.

I appreciate you understanding. I should get some rest now. It is 2 am almost. What am I doing up? I have stuff to do tommorow >.>

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I actually am not very good at BB, but I adore BB, so part of me is screaming a BB game in Evo2k13. Not expecting too much though. I think Anime games don’t get enough love in America. Sadly Anime here is associated with being a loser, a geek, an idiot, or xxx (insert insult that is very lame here), so no one trys them out, Which is a shame. I am an avid SFxT player, and no doubt, that game has serious issues, this 2013 patch should cover though, but it truly isn’t as bad as it looks. It is a very fun game. I think it is good for the players, not as good for the spectators though. I have never played guilty gear but I have seen past evos with it so it is a possibility but it has been hush-hush lately so I am not expecting that.

also at the KOF scene. That is sad. I never got into KOF but I loved watching it when I saw it occasionally, I thought the matches were pretty competitive and exciting at evo this past year. It is a shame to see a decent game go to waste. I guess I don’t need to many fighters to be par to satisfy my hunger.

I appreciate you understanding. I should get some rest now. It is 2 am almost. What am I doing up? I have stuff to do tommorow >.>

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For the, like, 2 people who genuinely thought Skullgirls would make it, consider that the Big Magical Save-The-Day Patch isn’t on both systems. At least not to my knowledge, maybe the 360 version finally got it while I was away:coffee:

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Oh don’t get me wrong, BBCP in EVO this year would’ve been awesome, but since there’s no current North American release, and a bunch of the scene has opted to play P4A until CP comes out over here, it’s not terribly likely. Hopefully the scene can get its act together for 2014 though. Also, I’m not buying the reasons for KOFXIII not being in EVO as that big of an issue as I personally feel they’re being quite blown out of proportion and when “it’s hard to schedule because of match length” becomes a reason, I admittedly start to feel that the detractors are running out of ideas.

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You don’t buy that “very low attendance in other majors” is a legitimate issue?

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Considering a number of majors hadn’t advertised having it as much as the other games and the couple of tournaments I’ve been to in the past few months north of the border had respectable numbers comparatively (tournaments up here obviously usually draw less people, but I’m speaking percentage wise), paired with the fact that a majority of the US scene won’t have to travel as far to go to Vegas compared to say…Florida, and that a lot of people will be coming from outside the US and that EVO stuck with MK9 despite a tournament dropoff during the time between EVO 2011 and EVO 2012 and still had a good turnout for that makes me think they won’t have to worry too much by putting it in.

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Looking at this realistically…

If it’s 5 games:
SF4
UMvC3
TTT2
P4A
KOF13

If it’s 6 games:
All of the above plus either MK9 or Injustice.

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Yeah, that’s probably the most realistic list of things I’ve seen. Either way though, I very highly doubt anybody would seriously argue that AE2012/UMVC3/TTT2 AREN’T locks for EVO at this point. Hell, the only way one of them’s not is if say…AE2012 turns into AE2013 by that point, and then it’s just a technicality.

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Do you have attendance numbers for these tournaments?

As I mentioned, the delta of local-international participants between MK (a predominantly U.S. game) and KOF (having a reputation of being predominantly non-U.S.) was 6% at Evo 2012. This is hardly a massive difference.

Where is this scene that’s just itching to play on a national stage? MLG Ohio had 25 players. Anaheim had 30. FF:V had 24. If the scene is strong, why are we seeing numbers like this? Are KOF players less likely to travel than players of other games?

As for lack of advertisements driving down participation, I’m not convinced. Other games that are not headliners regularly outperform KOF, and it’s really up to the community to organize their own information network for tournaments.

Granted, I wouldn’t be completely shocked if KOF made the roster, I’m just not buying the idea that it’s a lock. It’s a cool game, but for some reason it’s having a hard time drawing much participation.

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SF4AE (its street fighter)
TTT2 (its tekken)
UMvC3 (is MvC)
KOF XIII ( 1 reason for this choice, HYPE)
SSB (1: if its melee or brawl i’m not sure, 2: look at the poll votes, SSB is on top)
and if there’s a 6th game, P4A, PASBR, or MK/Injustice
Note, games in ***Bold Italics ***are most likely to be the main events

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If somebody else feels the need to look up the number of players listed as outside of the US for EVO games last year, then by all means they’re free to do so. I however, feel no desire to spend hours looking up such figures and the like when I 1. don’t have an exact number and don’t recall having or stating I had an exact number, and 2. Me listing it is most likely going to have 0 impact on whether the game gets featured or not. I mean, if it somehow DOES impact it, then by all means I’d gladly do so, but I don’t think it’ll make a difference either way and don’t see it helping change the mind of somebody who appears to have a rather negative mindset.

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Looking it up for Evo was easy. Brackets were listed in an online doc so I dl’ed the data and wrote a couple lines in lua (skip multiple entries and byes).

What I’m reading is that you hope KOF makes it, and you’re willing to accept data that supports that hope and reject data that does not. I also disagree that my mindset is ‘negative’. I’m trying to be realistic. If the claims of “hype” and “community” are not backed up by attendance data, fans of the game would be best served by acknowledging the truth. Even if KOF is included this year and fans still aren’t motivated to attend events, these trends will continue and the game’s community will die.

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If that’s what you’re reading, then you’re reading it wrong. I want KOF to make it, and would legit be surprised if it does not. Typically being realistic is done by showing and understanding both sides of the fence and being a sort of “while I think this, I can see this”, as opposed to being predominantly one side for the sake of shutting down what people would like to see happen. I just see nothing constructive being done by talking about the scene dying and hoping that to be the case.

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I didn’t want to respond because I responded to someone earlier about the same subject, but what the hell…
I think you’re kind of over exaggerating the decline of KOF in the US. You listed Frosty Faustings, and the two MLG events as examples. The first MLG event was a disaster that many people complained about because they announced it 3 weeks ahead of time giving no one time to save up and attend it. The next one in Cali was… bizarre. I’m not sure what happened. I thought for sure it would have a better turn out because of the SoCal and Norcal kof scene, but a lot of people were missing. To this day I’m not sure what happened. Either way, it was silly people didn’t attend when they could have and made the kof scene look bad. But for the most part, KOF has had solid attendance at major’s/regionals.

I wouldn’t call Frosty Faustings a major (no offense to Elvenshadow, it’s nice of him to throw the event every year for his region and for the guilty gear heads). It’s a regional, but it’s not an event top players flock to. It’s no surprise KOF had a low turn out. A better example of a solid turn out at a recent regional/major would be NEC where it had 57 entrants. Not spectacular like ssf4 or umvc3, but solid (P4 had a crazy turnout with over 100 which shocked me). I also think when EVO season starts rolling around you’ll see the turnout go up even more with players grinding it out.

So my point is, I think you’re exaggerating making it seem like KOF doesn’t get any sort of turnout at the bigger events, and citing the two MLG events and especially Frosty Faustings doesn’t really backup your point.

There’s something I’ve wanted to say about the MLG events for a while now and part of why I think it didn’t work out. When you attend a major, it’s more than just a bunch of tournaments for fg’s, I’d say it’s more of a celebration of fg’s. You walk around the hotel and everyone is talking about fg’s and carrying their arcade stick. You walk through the halls and every other door is left slightly open welcoming strangers to come in and play. You spend the whole weekend playing fg’s with anyone and everyone willing to play. It’s fighting game heaven for a weekend. I didn’t attend either MLG event, but as far as I could tell it didn’t have the same environment. If I have a limited budget and I have to decide whether to attend MLG or a major, why would I choose MLG where fg’s seemed to be a minor side attraction compared to a major where everyone is excited about fg’s.
Also, people in the fgc tend to play numerous games. So, for example, if I’ve been playing a lot of KOF through the weekend and just need to play something else for a bit, I can go to a friend’s room and play some sf4. In fact, a lot of KOF players play other games. Just in NYC, we have a number of players who play other fg’s such as Zidane (guilty gear and blazblue), a3religion (guilty gear), malik (melty blood), Liston (umvc3), chris g (this guy plays everything). As a player with a limited budget, I would prefer to go to an event where I’ll be able to see all my friends from all the different fg scenes as opposed to MLG.
Which brings up another point, and I think this is part of why MK did well at MLG. As far as I can tell, the MK community is a self sustained community (I hope that makes sense). What I mean is, for the most part their players seem focused on MK and MK alone. You don’t really see MK players playing other games. They are their own community. So whereas I would attend an event hoping to see all of my friends from different fgc’s, their friends are for the most part all within their own community. I should also mention that they, as a community, do a great job of going to as many events as they can to support their game.

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As I mentioned earlier, both SC5 and DOA5 got better turnout than KOFXIII did at NEC, yet almost everyone thinks that those 2 games have zero chances of being in the EVO lineup. 57 isn’t as solid a number as you think it is.

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They did? I’m kind of surprised. I think the reason people think that is because those two games will be compared to ttt2, and ttt2 is the main 3d game it seems (personally would prefer to see vf5, but I know that’s just me being foolish).
You know what they should do here? They should have a contest where you try to guess what the lineup will be, then they take those who guessed correctly and put them in a random draw. Whoever’s name gets selected wins a stick or something.

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I think a good amount of you are blissfully ignorant of the fact that the greater vast majority of Evo attendees really don’t attend weeklies/regionals/majors. Using those numbers as a prediction of turnout for evo doesn’t worked, it never has and will continue to not do so. Evo games are decided months in advance for a reason. After the 8th is when the majority of would-be evo attendees are going to know what games they should try and be good at.Evo has shown before that the age of a game, whether the game is even out or hell even released in America, and perceived lack of player numbers at events(For what it’s worth, 57 players for a game is a lot and you can’t pretend it isn’t. NEC is a regional just for whatever reason people seem to forget about that adjective as if it was a bad thing) does not stop a game from being part of the Evo lineup.

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WHen did 57 stop being decent tournout, damn.

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Smash got the most poll votes last year also, I think…those don’t matter.

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Well, I think the main issue with Smash is they’d have to buy a 2nd set of consoles entirely and use a completely different and 2nd set of TVs/monitors for them so that’s extra cost for the EVO organizers too. I’d assume it wasn’t as much a problem in the past because there was TvC, and because it wasn’t in the HD era of gaming yet.