you can link SA I and SA II off of a “meaty” fwd+mk.
ANy vids of this combo? Ived been trying to do this move and I just can’t seem to land it.
I cast the spell of “raise dead” on this thread.
Anyway, on a recent acho match vid my mind was blown away. Elena vs. Ken(<-screw this blonde, chessy, huge crossover hit box having sum-bitch) in round 2 Elena got of her EX combo like this, Ken misses a shoryuken with his back too the corner, elena c.mp ex spin scythe THEN WHAT I BELIVE TO BE THE FIRST TWO HITS OF LK VERSION OF SPIN SCYTHE finishes it up with EX rhino horn to rh.sratch your nuts wheel
this combo did more than half life and mos def more than c.mp brave dance, I assuming this only works in the corner so the blonde freak won’t fly away. and i hope this works on other shotos(and i hope even more that it works on urien). the problem is i have not been able to recreate this at home. can one of you break dancing pimps help me out with this
wait, did she use the LK version of SS to juggle Ken after he was launched by the EX Spin?
it’s mk. It’s hard as hell to get the timing down but once you learn it it’s really awesome. So you ex scythe, juggle with the first two hits of mk scythe then ex rhino then either rh. or ex scratch wheel
wow, I’ll be trying that for sure.
does Spinning Beat combo into any of her EX combos? I would imagine it’d be nice for finishing juggles.
ok mk version dats cool
does this work on all shotos?
othewr charcters?
pretty sure it works on all characters. pretty sure they need to be in the corner.
I’m a new Elena player and I have some questions for her, she’s fun to play but I am having some problems in certain situations where I don’t know her moves that well to have a solution, so here it is. Oh I only use brave dance.
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If I only have meter for one ex move, is the best thing to punish someone c.mp, ex spinning scythe, short scratch wheel?
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How many ways can you link brave dance? I only know c.mp and UOH right now, can Elena do something like c.lk, c.lk, brave dance like the shotos can?
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Reading up on the ex juggle combo, how fast do you do the ex rhino horn after the ex spinning scythe? Does it do 2 hits or just one hit?
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What’s a good anti air for Elena, scratch wheel gets predictable and can be parried, sometimes I use back mp?(the one where it does multiple hits, not sure if it is mp or mk) and it works but not consistently.
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Somebody posted on this thread she has 4 overheads, besides towards mp and mk, UOH, what’s the other overhead?
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Does she have target comboes, how do you do the air one where she does 2 hits?
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How are her match-ups? Against mainly the top-tier?
Thanks and I know there are lots of questions, but I am tired of my old characters and I am trying to learn Elena and hopefully have her compete in tourneys as well. We have some quality players over here as well, a great Yun player, bunch of good Ken players, good Hugo, Alex, Dudley, and of course Chun players.
I’m not an Elena master, but I know a few things, maybe I can help.
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If it’s a close match, that would probably be best. Otherwise I would really save the meter for a Brave Dance or for the full EX combo.
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I don’t know all of the possibilities, but one of my favorites is linking it off of a j.HK (hit right before you land)
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c.HP isn’t too bad, or if you know they’re going to land in front of you, set up a Lynx Tail ahead of time.
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Mallet Smash.
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I personally think she decent against all characters, I don’t usually feel like “shit, I’m at a huge disadvantage here”. Her main problem is Chun Li. She fares pretty well against the shotos, although anyone who has a projectile can give you a hard time.
Hope that helps a little, sorry I can’t answer all of your questions.
i use Elena.
- depending on how much bar you have, you might be better off saving the bar for super and just punishing with something like crouching strongxdp+roundhouse. If you are far from getting a full super bar and have decided to burn ex (or going for the knock-out), then there are a couple of things that you can do. a.) crouching strongxx ex spinning scythe, jump up toward them and juggle with strong,fierce, air chain (doesnt work on all characters), this resets them, then you can go for mix-up after. b.) crouching strongxx ex spinning scythe, small scratch wheel.
- crouching strongxx brave dance is a late cancel. You can link super off of…,
UOH
Jumping Roundhouse
Jumping Fierce (one or two hit)
Jumping Strong, Fierce Chain (works on some characters, works on all characters if they parry the strong and eat the fierce)
Forward cross up
Meaty toward+strong
Elena has no way of hit confirming her super using a low move. You can do a hail mary crouching shortxxsuper (lottsa prayers and good set-ups to land this one outside of your opponent giving it to you.)
- you gotta time the move to come out as soon as the previous move recovers. Just timing is all, no tricks. Not sure how many hits it does.
- in my experience her best anti-air is standing strong. Best to just block in most situations. Make them beat you on the ground. Dont give it away by guessing on jump-ins. (I should take my own advice).
UOH
Toward+strong
Toward+forward kick
Mallet Smash
(Best not to use any of these too often or you will get parried and kilt. Set them up or die)
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air chains: Strong,Fierce and short,forward
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In my experience she loses to Ken (but I have seen good Elenas take good Kens to town) gets raped by Chun. Does okay vs. Yun and Makoto.
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if you are a serious player, better to use someone else.
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hit confirm low strongxxsuper and Kara throw, else Elena is dead in the water. I really like Elena J
Thanks rikc and Jared3s, that was some helpful answers and suggestions, I know Elena is not as strong as some of the top-tier characters but she’s such a fun character to use when you’re bored playing as say Chun or Ken. I have a deep hatred for Yun so there’s no way I am learning him, Makoto is so random that knowing myself, I hate random games.
After playing some matches yesterday, I don’t think she does well against Chun or Ken at all, Chun because her normals have better priority, does better damage, can low link into super, etc. Ken kills Elena because of her wacky hit box, the guys I play against don’t kara srk but they were getting that extra hit pretty much everytime, and it hurts!!! :lame:
any rush down elena??
my friend’s a rushdown elena(sa2)…
he parries a lot especially when he had a meter full.
and he does a lot of b+roundhouse(?).
and my makoto loses alot against her,outpoked. 
i think that Elena can be played more aggresively when your opponent does not have meter and when Elena has full meter (but doesn’t that go for every character :karate: ). lottsa low short tick throws, kara throws, back+roundhouse, neutral roundhouse, and ummmm…short tick throws, and kara throws. if you attack and when you have nothing to back you up (i.e. meter)you are going to get kilt. basic strategy no? turtle for life!
Random tidbits…
People catch on to Elena’s moves quick, mix up mix up mix up is the key. Obviously linking brave dance or ex combo should be a huge part of your game if you have the meter for it, which is why c.mp is such an awesome poke. Practice your c.mp links over and over, because from my experience if you can land brave or ex scythe every time off of c.mp (aka chun li) you can be as deadly as chun li.
Elena is like chun li in the sense that if she can land a single move she has potential to land massive damage. Brave can be linked off of so many things, while it seems like you’re just throwing out moves to build meter you really are just setting it up. c.mp, c.lk, j.hk mallet smash, uoh etc etc…
Switch up your mallet smashes. Sometimes you can catch a miss-parry and then you’re set.
I would rather play against a really good Chun then an average Ken personally.
Chun will often turtle and build meter, the same thing you should be doing. Meter less she will be using the same moves we all know already, including some variety of hp and hk. Just stay away from it, play smart. KNOW that she will out prioritize your hk with her hp if you dont catch it within it’s last few frames. Hopefully you’ll get meter first and go on the offence. Play your game, keep the mix ups and hope for the best.
Ken on the other hand will usually just start right in on you. His links and damage are ridiculously easy to execute and you’ll always have to be anticipating either a crouch or an overhead. Just much more of an uphill battle for a much longer time period in the match as far as Im concerned. Personal opinion probably.
As Jared already stated, her kara throw is a huuuuuge part of her game. Again though, just watch out for the parry. Her forward mp and mk are great over heads, but can be seen coming.
Same with her mallet smash, which is why it’s key to switch the strenghts and ex ability of it up. If you land it once, be happy and move on. Don’t figure it’s a safe move. I’ve had that thing parried on me way too many times when i figured it was going to be completely safe. Do keep in mind though that people become more timid when they see the yellow flash of ex.
Ok I’m tired, i dont even know if what i’m saying makes sense. :xeye:
Hey!!! Not fair getting strategies against my Elena…
My Bad!!! Now I have to change my strategy back to being a turtle…
BTW, can you really guys link Elena’s toward+MK into SA? Coz i’m not sure if my timing ain’t just right
Can anyone give some tips on air combat. I’m just not strong with that yet.
For example, I’m usually the one getting tagged if I try the strong, fierce air combo, especially if its that shoto air foward.
Elena’s not very good in the air. I usually have luck with an early HK.
Actually her MP, HP air combo is really effective against a jumping opponent. I usually do this combo just after seeing my opponents jump. Although a shoto’s MK may have better priority… Then a suggest you parry their MK then retaliate. A good Elena player shoud be good at air parries because Elena is can easily be the target of anti-air attacks also she can be juggled easily by other characters.
i have a match from some jap july tourney between M (elena) vs Asaba (gouki/akuma). at the end M kills Asaba with the f.mk, sa2 combo.