Elena Combo Thread - Shall We Dance?

[Lodrak]

^Thanks a lot for that post, did you also test level 2 crumples? I assume it’s the same but I dunno. EDIT: Not the same. You can add Elena to the list of characters that lvl 3 crumple, s.hp works on (tight timing), but lvl 2 crumple doesn’t work.

Some simple meaty setups tested on Elena, both face down knockdowns. This is all assuming no delayed wakeup. The on hit values are tested and confirmed, but I’m assuming the frame data in the frame data thread is correct for the on block values, didn’t test. Dunno if she has normal wakeup frames or not:

Forward throw, forward dash x 2 puts you point blank with 12 frames before they get up, which lets you do meaty s.hk hitting with the 2nd active frame giving you +4/0, or meaty f.mk hitting with the first active frame only giving you +2/-3. Not too exciting.

Back throw, forward dash x 2 puts you very close with 14 frames before they get up, which lets you do meaty f.mk hitting with the 3rd active frame giving you +4/-1, or meaty b.hk on the 2nd active frame giving you +2/+1. This is pretty nasty, letting you combo into ultra midscreen with something like f.mk, cr.lp xx EX Lynx Tail, U1 (427 damage); or if you don’t trust your meaty/link timing, you can confirm f.mk, cr.lp, cr.mp xx EX Mallet or something.

EDIT: Ok so I tested this stuff on Ryu, and it’s off by a frame. Elena actually gets up one frame faster than normal characters from face down knockdowns apparently, putting her in a class of her own (go figure). Well, not accounting for the other 4 new characters, I don’t know their wakeup timing. So, for normal characters:

Forward throw, forward dash x 2 = 13 frames before wakeup. Meaty s.hk gives +5/+1, Meaty f.mk gives +3/-2.

Back throw, forward dash x 2 = 15 frames before wakeup. F.mk whiffs. Meaty b.hk gives +3/+2, close enough to confirm into cr.lp, cr.mp.

Na I only tested lvl 3 I wasn’t sure if there would be a difference. So I just did lvl3 and then went to bed.

Good stuff with the meaties. how did you find out how many frames it takes for Elena to wakeup?

I don’t know the number, just trial and error. I just did throw, dash x2 and saw what I could connect afterwards. Used the frame data thread here to help figure stuff out. Though, according to the Rindoukan Bible, the average character (including Ryu) gets up 31f after a face down knockdown, so I guess Elena would be 30f. Should probably see what I can get off of sweep or mk ss quick stand next.

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

^Thanks a lot for that post, did you also test level 2 crumples? I assume it’s the same but I dunno. EDIT: Not the same. You can add Elena to the list of characters that lvl 3 crumple, s.hp works on (tight timing), but lvl 2 crumple doesn’t work.

Some simple meaty setups tested on Elena, both face down knockdowns. This is all assuming no delayed wakeup. The on hit values are tested and confirmed, but I’m assuming the frame data in the frame data thread is correct for the on block values, didn’t test. Dunno if she has normal wakeup frames or not:

Forward throw, forward dash x 2 puts you point blank with 12 frames before they get up, which lets you do meaty s.hk hitting with the 2nd active frame giving you +4/0, or meaty f.mk hitting with the first active frame only giving you +2/-3. Not too exciting.

Back throw, forward dash x 2 puts you very close with 14 frames before they get up, which lets you do meaty f.mk hitting with the 3rd active frame giving you +4/-1, or meaty b.hk on the 2nd active frame giving you +2/+1. This is pretty nasty, letting you combo into ultra midscreen with something like f.mk, cr.lp xx EX Lynx Tail, U1 (427 damage); or if you don’t trust your meaty/link timing, you can confirm f.mk, cr.lp, cr.mp xx EX Mallet or something.

EDIT: Ok so I tested this stuff on Ryu, and it’s off by a frame. Elena actually gets up one frame faster than normal characters from face down knockdowns apparently, putting her in a class of her own (go figure). Well, not accounting for the other 4 new characters, I don’t know their wakeup timing. So, for normal characters:

Forward throw, forward dash x 2 = 13 frames before wakeup. Meaty s.hk gives +5/+1, Meaty f.mk gives +3/-2.

Back throw, forward dash x 2 = 15 frames before wakeup. F.mk whiffs. Meaty b.hk gives +3/+2, close enough to confirm into cr.lp, cr.mp.

Na I only tested lvl 3 I wasn’t sure if there would be a difference. So I just did lvl3 and then went to bed.

Good stuff with the meaties. how did you find out how many frames it takes for Elena to wakeup?

I don’t know the number, just trial and error. I just did throw, dash x2 and saw what I could connect afterwards. Used the frame data thread here to help figure stuff out. Though, according to the Rindoukan Bible, the average character (including Ryu) gets up 31f after a face down knockdown, so I guess Elena would be 30f. Should probably see what I can get off of sweep or mk ss quick stand next.

Ah I see Elena waking up a frame sooner would explain some of the inconsistencies I was getting while test safe jump set ups. I’ll have to hammer some stuff out in that department again.

[Heavyweight]

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[Kelter_Skelter]

is mid screen short rhino horn into ultra 1 character specific or am i just bad?

Only works on four characters, I believe.

apparently of the 4 characters ive fought against 3 of them are on the list, hooray for false assumptions

[Sprint]

A bunch of character-specific stuff I’ve been documenting:

WARNING: Not fully tested in v1.04. Sections that are not up to date are marked as such.
Affected moves: L/H Scratch Wheel, H Lynx Tail.

In the following lists, higher listed characters provide more leniency. e.g. If a combo is listed as C+ then it is typically a 1 frame link on C group characters, but will be progressively more lenient on the B/A/S groups.

Important combos are listed bold.
Unimportant ones are grey and are included for completions sake.

Corner Spin Scythe > ??? (v1.04 - L/H SW combo partially tested. Exceptions may exist.)

[details=Spoiler]S: Seth
A: Balrog* Sagat T.Hawk* Zangief*
B: Abel Cody Dhalsim Dudley Guile Guy Rose
C: Dan Gouken Ken M.Bison Ryu Yang Yun
D****: Adon Blanka Cammy C.Viper DeeJay ElFuerte Elena EvilRyu FeiLong Ibuki Juri Makoto Rufus Vega
E: Akuma Decapre Chun-Li E.Honda Gen Hakan Hugo Oni Poison Rolento Sakura

M/H Spin Scythe > Super (D+)
M/H Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel (C+)
M/H Spin Scythe > H Scratch Wheel (B+)
M/H Spin Scythe > M Scratch Wheel (A+)
M/H Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel (B+)
M/H Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (Seth)
L Spin Scythe > Super (All)
L Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel (All)
L Spin Scythe > H Scratch Wheel (All)
L Spin Scythe > M Scratch Wheel (D+)
L Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel (All)
L Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (B+) ( = Works midscreen on Balrog/T.Hawk/Zangief)*
LK Spin Scythe > EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel (Seth)[/details]

Corner EX Spin Scythe > ??? (v1.04 - L/H SW combo partially tested. Exceptions may exist.)

[details=Spoiler]A Cammy Cody Decapre Elena Hakan Hugo Poison Seth
B: Everyone else
C: Abel C.Viper DeeJay Dhalsim ElFuerte Fei Long Guile Vega
D****: Chun-Li Sakura
E: Adon
G: Gen

EX Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (All)
EX Spin Scythe > EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel (All)
EX Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel > Ultra 1 (A+)
EX Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel > EX Scratch Wheel (D+)
EX Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel > H Scratch Wheel (E+)
EX Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel > M Scratch Wheel (C+)
EX Spin Scythe > L Scratch Wheel > L Scratch Wheel (D+)
EX Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel > EX Scratch Wheel (B+ except Dudley/Gouken/Guy/Sagat)

• The last combo deals more stun than the EX Rhino Horn combo.
• Delay the first EX Scratch Wheel against Balrog/Cody/Hakan/Seth or the first hit whiffs under them.

EX Spin Scythe is only really worth it if you have 3 bars or Ultra 1.[/details]

Rhino Horn > ??? (v1.04 - H SW combo partially tested. Exceptions may exist.)

[details=Spoiler]A: Hakan+ T.Hawk+
B: Elena
C: Poison
D****: Abel Gen Rose Yang Yun
E: Decapre* E.Honda* Gouken* Rufus Vega* Everyone else
F: Blanka C.Viper Guile Guy Hugo* Makoto Juri Oni Sagat* Zangief*

Any Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel (All)
L/EX Rhino Horn > Ultra 1 (C+)
M Rhino Horn > Ultra 1 (D+)
H Rhino Horn > Ultra 1 (E+)
EX Rhino Horn > H Scratch Wheel (E+)
LMH Rhino Horn > H Scratch Wheel (All)

• = L Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel fully connects midscreen even if not point blank.

• = EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel fully connects midscreen against Hakan/T.Hawk.[/details]

Focus Crumple > Dash st.HP

[details=Spoiler]Level 2-3: Abel ElFuerte+ Hugo Rufus Sagat Seth T.Hawk Vega Zangief
Level 3: Akuma* Balrog Blanka Cammy Dudley E.Honda* Gen Gouken Guile Juri M.Bison Ryu* Sakura*

• = Does not work on crouch-hit. 1-frame timing after stand-hit.

• = Must slightly delay HP after Level 2 focus against El Fuerte.[/details]

Jump HP > Stand HP

[details=Spoiler]High hit vs Standing
Balrog Blanka* Cody Dan DeeJay Dhalsim Dudley EHonda Gen Gouken Guile Hakan Hugo Juri Poison Rolento Rufus Sagat Seth T.Hawk Vega Zangief

• Do not do j.HP deep against Blanka or it will trigger a different reeling animation which causes st.HP to whiff.

Deep hit vs Standing
Everyone except Blanka, Elena, Makoto.
Jump LP~MK > HP works against Makoto.

Works vs Crouching
Abel Hakan Hugo T.Hawk Zangief[/details]

H Lynx Tail (FADC) HP (updated for v1.04)

[details=Spoiler]vs Standing
Works on everyone except Elena E.Honda Yang Yun.

• FADC first spin is a 7f link.
• FADC second spin is a 2f link.

vs Crouching
E.Honda* ElFuerte* Gouken* Hakan Hugo Sagat* T.Hawk Zangief

• = Must FADC the first spin. Stricter link than against standing opponents.

H Lynx Tail (FADC 1st spin) b+HK > cr.LP
Akuma ChunLi CViper Decapre Guy Juri Oni Rose Yun

• Only listed this because its an interesting combo. FADCing the second spin into st.HK is better and works on everyone.[/details]

MK~d+HP > Ultra 1
Works on everyone except Blanka Decapre ElFuerte Ibuki Rolento Rufus

EX Scratch Wheel FADC on hit vs crouching = Teleport
Balrog Cammy Cody Guile Vega

In summary: lol Seth, where’d your HP go

[KitL19]

I’m not going to lie that’s the most amazing way I’ve seen combos organized.

I’ve also realized that for me half of that shit you listed is unnecessary. I just play lame; get meter. Land cr.mp > Spinning beat. Play lamer. But thank you nonetheless. You’re awesome!

[Lodrak]

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I love you forever. That’s exactly the stuff I was thinking about starting research on yesterday, now I don’t have to. Thank you so much for sharing! If you have anything else you need tested, post it and maybe I can repay you by helping out with it.

[Mr.Flowers]

[details=Spoiler]A bunch of character-specific stuff I’ve been documenting:

Corner Spin Scythe (more things work on characters listed higher)
S: Seth
A: Balrog Sagat T.Hawk Zangief
B: Abel Cody Dhalsim Dudley Guile Guy Rose
C: Dan Gouken Ken M.Bison Ryu Yang Yun
D: Adon Blanka Cammy C.Viper DeeJay ElFuerte Elena EvilRyu FeiLong Ibuki Juri Makoto Rufus Vega
E: Akuma Decapre Chun-Li E.Honda Gen Hakan Hugo Oni Poison Rolento Sakura

MK/HK Spin Scythe > Super (D+)
MK/HK Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel (C+)
MK/HK Spin Scythe > HK Scratch Wheel (B+)
MK/HK Spin Scythe > MK Scratch Wheel (A+)
MK/HK Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel (Seth)
MK/HK Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (Seth)
LK Spin Scythe > Super (All)
LK Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel (All)
LK Spin Scythe > HK Scratch Wheel (All)
LK Spin Scythe > MK Scratch Wheel (D+)
LK Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel (C+)
LK Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (B+)
LK Spin Scythe > EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel (Seth)

Note: Second hit of HK Scratch Wheel whiffs vs Cammy, E.Honda, and Rose.
The first 3 combos are the important ones, since MK and HK Spin Scythes deal significantly more damage than the LK version. Being able to situationally use them and still do a followup is very handy.
MK and HK SW enders deal the same damage. LK SW deals less damage but gives more advantage.

Corner EX Spin Scythe
A: Cammy Decapre Elena Seth
B: Everyone else
C: Abel Blanka C.Viper DeeJay Dhalsim E.Honda ElFuerte Fei Long Guile Vega
D: Adon Chun-Li Sakura
E: Gen

EX Spin Scythe > Ultra 1 (All)
EX Spin Scythe > EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel (All)
EX Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel > EX Scratch Wheel (D+)
EX Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel > HK Scratch Wheel (C+)
EX Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel > MK Scratch Wheel (B+)
EX Spin Scythe > LK Scratch Wheel > LK Scratch Wheel (A)
EX Spin Scythe > EX Scratch Wheel > EX Scratch Wheel (C+)

Note: Second hit of HK Scratch Wheel whiffs vs Cammy, E.Honda, Poison, and Rose.
The last combo deals more stun than using EX Rhino Horn, but doesn’t work properly against some characters’ hitboxes. The first EX SW needs to be performed immediately and it needs to hit 4 times. If it doesn’t hit 4 times then the combo won’t work on that character. So far aside from the D/E characters I’ve confirmed it to not work on Balrog and Dudley.

Focus Crumple > Dash st.HP
Level 2-3: Abel Hugo Rufus Sagat Seth T.Hawk Vega Zangief
Level 3: Akuma Balrog Blanka Cammy Dudley E.Honda ElFuerte Gen Gouken Guile M.Bison Juri Sakura

Jump HP > Stand HP
Balrog Blanka Cody Dan DeeJay Dhalsim Dudley EHonda Gen Gouken Guile Hakan Hugo Juri Poison Rolento Rufus Sagat Seth T.Hawk Vega Zangief
Deep Jump HP > Stand HP
Everyone except Elena and Makoto.
Jump LP~MK > HP works against Makoto.
Jump HP > Stand HP vs Crouching
Abel Hakan Hugo T.Hawk Zangief
(Of these, Abel is the only one who can duck it normally)

HK Lynx Tail (FADC) HP (vs standing)
Everyone except Blanka and Dan.
Must FADC first spin: E.Honda Elena Rufus T.Hawk Zangief
(Note: FADCing the second spin requires a point blank hit)
HK Lynx Tail (FADC) HP (vs crouching)
FADC any hit: Dudley Hakan Hugo T.Hawk Zangief
FADC first spin: Abel Dan Gouken Seth

HK Rhino Horn > Ultra 1
Everyone except Blanka C.Viper Guile Guy Hugo Juri Makoto Oni Sagat Zangief.
MK Rhino Horn > Ultra 1
EX/LK/MK: Elena Hakan Poison T.Hawk
MK only: Abel Gen Rose Yang Yun

FADC on hit vs crouching = Teleport
Balrog Cammy Cody Vega

In summary: lol Seth, where’d your HP go?[/details]

This is really great! If you are doing more of this stuff we may have to make a character specific thread on what does and doesn’t work.

[Sprint]

Just updated my post with a bit more Rhino Horn stuff.

It seems EX Rhino Horn > EX Scratch Wheel can fully connect midscreen against T.Hawk and Hakan.
Lots of corner carry.

[Ambassador_Foxx]

God, you saved me so much work. I was seriously just about to create a video about the Spin Scythe stuff, but you’ve included more information than I was even going to document in an extremely well-organized post. HUGE thanks for including the Rhino Horn information as well. That was something I wasn’t looking forward to testing out.

One thing: I’ve been able to land st. HP after a level 3 crumple on Ryu in the past. I took the time to test it out a few days ago, and the timing is precise, but it definitely works.

EDIT: I guess Ken works too.

[Sprint]

Yeah, it looks like doing it against Ryu is something like 1f timing. Added him to the list.

[onemic]

Thanks for the list! I’ll def add this to the combo thread

[the7k]

Is there a safe place to rant? Like an Elena ranting thread?

It’s been 15 days and I still ain’t getting anywhere with this damn character. Loss after loss after loss. If anything it’s getting worse, it’s like people know when to punish her now.

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Is there a safe place to rant? Like an Elena ranting thread?

It’s been 15 days and I still ain’t getting anywhere with this damn character. Loss after loss after loss. If anything it’s getting worse, it’s like people know when to punish her now.

I’d say use the general discussion or make your own thread.

[the7k]

Oh yeah, I thought this was general discussion. Gotta stop having so many tabs open. My bad.

Well, I guess mildly on topic, it’s good to see you, Sprint. Haven’t seen you since the Felicia MvC3 forums.

[Sprint]

Added MK~d+HP > Ultra 1 to my post.
Confirmed that it works on everyone except Blanka, Decapre, El Fuerte, Ibuki, Rolento, Rufus

Also, HK Lynx Tail (1 spin) FADC st.HP against crouching Dudley in the right corner.
HP inexplicably crosses up, and if you cancel it into a special she just meaninglessly flails at the edge of the screen.

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I got fa lvl3 dash hp to work on e ryu in the corner. @sprint did you test corner also or just midscreen?

[Ral92]

Hey guys, I’m just starting to mess around with Elena and I found this out accidentally . Only works on standing Balrog and Gen. Has this been found out already? If so, sorry! But this should be useful to get better positioning or to do some long ass combos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ydlRfj-Ok

[RaidenthaShocka]

ex.ms or hp.ms > cr.lp xx lk.rh > ex.sw is godlike.

[Yannick]

H.Mallet Smash gets you c.strong! Make sure on the rare occasions that you land H.Mallet Smash that you use c.strong to make the most of it!

I wish we got c.strong from EX.Mallet Smash. D: