EL Fuerte's Revenge! ala improvement thread

[Vanilla]

crap google translation

• Please tell us about the adjustment in El Forte

Okada:
IV was the previous strike “El Forte vandalism character” is the impression that
was adjusted to break.
To become a character called trolls because it requires considerable technique,
it works in such
behavior seems to require El Foruterashii technique is to leave it.

• What specifically what skills coordinated?

Okada:
Friendly place and say, “Wakamorereggusuru” raised the damage.
“Wakamorereggusuru” is so difficult to decide in battle skills,
and some damage on the minutes .
You can then make the connection was hard to connect the kick combo in the target
seems to be your biggest concern is probably the user’s
direction of the status quo big punch loop I put on.

• Urukon newly launched
  "El Foruteurutorasupaku" Please tell us

Okada:
Serve as a counter technique to fit the partner’s behavior,
the “El Foruteurutorasupaku created”.
As technology is slide into the front and sliding
is a skill we have to throw in the stream directly,
so wide is really a range of throwing forward when sliding, and
beat and absolutely fit to attack the other so We make a throw.
So very effective against enemies on the ground,
such as El?come looking for a partner to match the behavior?Shi?I Forte
has been able to take the counter.

• “El Foruteurutorasupaku” is what other effective so far?

Okada:
If anything, I think effective elastic character and attack Ryu system.
I have shot through the sliding performance, and I can attack through.
Techniques mean that a large rock thrown after a pause,
but looking out of the other missiles, I can decide .
Techniques rather than through the bullets, they are going to match skills against a strong attack.
The character was last seen entering the weaker characters in all, How about this?

Okada:
El?their forte, but it is changing so dramatically,
the overall position may not change (laughs).
But most were too weak and openly,
and techniques are not used to gauge the strength decrease at all the other skills I decided to
have strengthened slightly.
In that sense, so it is easy to reflect the ability of those players
from the last time I think that character is used.

[Threelions]

Thanks Vanilla!

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[Arde]

El Fuerte:

• Guacamole Slew (Air Grab) damage buffed.
• RSF is likely left as it is (I hate when they don’t say it directly, but instead twist some words and stuff, you know?).
• The sliding part of his Ultra 2 has projectile invincibility.
• They said they buffed his properties that were too weak, and also buffed moves that did almost no damage to opponents.

copy pasted from eventhubs.com

This was actually from SRK in the new info thread. :lol:

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ooops sorry ill just delete my post~ ^^,

[ReyArt]

4/13 Dev blog translation for your everyday life.

– Okay, now please tell us about El Fuerte’s adjustments.

Okada:
In IV, El Fuerte was known as the random character, so we tried to adjust him while keeping that intact. In order to be effective as a random character, technique is necessary - so in S4 as well we are keeping the feel of his play.

– In general, what type of adjustments have you done to his moves?

Okada:
We’ve raised the damage on his Guacamole Leg Press. In battle, hitting it is fairly difficult, so we gave it a damage boost to compensate. We’ve also made his target combo forward kick easier to connect, and probably what most people are concerned about - we’re leaving his Run Stop Fierce loop in.

– Tell us about his new ultra, the El Fuerte Ultra Spark.

Okada:
We made it as a counter if you can match your opponent’s movements. The move slides him forward, and it counts as a throw move in that state. The throw range while he’s sliding is pretty wide, so if you can match your opponent’s movements its a throw that will win out a lot of the time. It works great against grounded opponents, and if your opponent is trying to match your moves then this works nicely as a counter.

– Against which characters does the El Fuerte Ultra Spark offer an advantage?

Okada:
If I had to choose, I’d say Ryu or the other projectile characters. The sliding goes under projectiles. Also, the throw period is fairly large, so you can do the ultra upon seeing the fireball and have it hit. But rather than just projectiles, its a move for your opponent’s big attacks.

– Fuerte was considered to be one of the weakest characters in IV, but how about S4?

Okada:
As we haven’t really done a lot of buffing to Fuerte himself, maybe his position hasn’t changed? (laughs). But the weak parts of him, as well as things like hitting the move but not being able to do that much damage, we have been strengthening that. So by that, players can bring out their ability more and he should be easier to use than he was in IV.

[Sh33p]

El Forte vandalism character

[dgowen]

Cool, thanks for the convienant elf section!

Kinda dissappointed they didn’t mention the fixing of his ‘slide’ glitch… I’ve slidden through so many cammy’s since I’m still too scrubby to land an RSF loop in a match, haha

Overall I’m incredibly excited about his new ultra and he should be moving up in ranks… not that it matters, because he is still the most fun character to play. Viva la fuerte!

[wussmonster]

bleh. target combo is easier to connect now? hardly an improvement but i’ll take what i can get. i was really hoping for an input change for q-bomb. all the other stuff i can see why they changed, but IMO this input seriously needed to be a qcf motion and better startup wouldnt hurt.

[Arde]

holy crap in vid 2 the lvl 2 focus was fast! im so stoked about that!! i hate how slow our focus is in vanilla!! oo and imma try that lk later in training, but no one has a vid of this happenin?

I think they really sped up Fuerte’s charge to lvl 2 focus in Super - it currently takes about 1.5-2 seconds in vanilla, but in Super it seems to be less than 1 second or about 1 second to go to lvl2 focus.

From the videos and judging from the interview so far, as a whole Fuerte hasn’t really changed that much from vanilla - he is still a tough character to use that requires running away as part of the game plan a lot of the times.
While they gave him some buffs to guacamole, focus attack, and some of his normals to buff his normal gameplay - they also took stun out of RSF ensuring that Fuerte will still have tough times ahead.

Against good opponents, this type of gameplay without ultra usually lets Fuerte take about 40-60% of the opponent’s life, but of course as all Fuerte mainers know, trying to finish the rest of that 40-50% health is a tall order since by that time the high tier opponents have ultra and ex stocks to combo.

Biggest difference in super however, is the functionality of ultra 2 as a 40-50% health punisher without risking getting random SRK to ultra from doing RSF against a 40-50% health opponent.

IMO, in the dev’s mind, normal game plan for Fuerte is to use his normal moves/specials to take off 40-60% of the opponent’s life and then use ultra 2 to take out the rest.

[Dawgtanian]

Cody vs Fuerte from London: Part 1 [media=youtube]QgNUlThgOls[/media]

Part 2 [media=youtube]FlCRmsu-1JA[/media]

Ah that was me playing!

I’m going to post some more videos soon.

Also for those who wanted to know about the Hakan match up… His normals in oil mode are really fast and long range. If he picks U2 then it makes life hell! Overall though its not the worst matchup by far.

[Arde]

Interesting T.Hawk notes: http://www.neoempire.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252613&postcount=17

Listed the most interesting ones for Fuerte mainers:

• Dragon Punch is only upper body invincible, and is on the ground until it hits. You can be grabbed or hit low during the startup. As soon as it hits, he has left the ground and it can’t be FADC-ed. Jab dp has shocking fast recovery. Combo potential? Maybe.
• Dive is punishable by alot of characters. But it focus breaks, it is fast and the priority is ridiculous. Whiff dive can get you the odd free grab once you’ve trained them to block, but it’s certainly not free.
• Dash back U1 is almost unfair, but great fun. The range is so long, they didn’t even have to be right next to you to start with.

It seems there’s a chance for Fuerte to do some safe tortilla or cr.HK shenanigans on Hawk’s wakeup game - of course gotta be careful of backdash command throw like against Gief.

[System_1]

Does anyone know if the Shoto characters still do the reeling animation during RSF making it harder to hit? Can Rufus be RSF’d yet?

[Dawgtanian]

T.Hawk’s U2 destroys Fuertes ‘safe’ tortillia from what I could see.

Also what do you mean can Rufus be RSF’d? He always has been able to?

[System_1]

I mean’t after a jump in macho man / butt splash. Sorry should have been more specific.

[m1northreat]

i c less stun from rsf a disadvantage but at the same time we dont have to worry about stunning them early. u can just beat down on them, get their life down even more than usual without stun. go for the knock down and then mix them up into more damage and then theyll hit stun. i dont know, im just tryin to look at the bright side of things and i think we will do fine! can u imagine elf still having that much stun with a lvl2 focus that charges in less than a sec?!?! holy crap that would be over powered!! ooo and rufus is annoying, i hate that u cant really combo him off a jump in. i also learned not to lvl 3 focus him if i plan on using rsf! lvl 3 focus causes the first hit on him to make him go into the reeling motion which makes that second hit on him very frame specific. i keep my focuses on ruf down to lvl 2s now even after stuns unless i just plan on using ultra

[n0thingman]

do we know if ex guac does more damage now? or is it just non ex versions that got the boost?

[Arde]

do we know if ex guac does more damage now? or is it just non ex versions that got the boost?

All versions of guacamole gets +20 damage boost - ex guac does 180 in super.

[Densuo]

El Forte vandalism character

This. Fucking THIS. I lol’d HARD

[m1northreat]

played super today! elfs ult2 is beast! way easier to confirm jumps and punish! also punished duds whiffed cr m kick and his ex machine gun blow. RSF is exactly the same and the game seems to move alil faster. flows better and the faster focus attacks are great! had alot of fun