Word plus runback stop then jump you can airthrow his TU.
Yes, a well timed tortilla is 100% safe, just be careful with the timing and refer to brainz’s advanced combo video thread in case you were not sure about it. airthrow also works :tup:
Until you get ultraed.
try it.
I do try it and I hardly to never get ultra’d.
I get reverse ultra’d every time when I do what I think is a safe tortilla 
edit: and this is coming from really shitty sagats.
Yep, life’s a bitch. :looney:
First they spam 9 DPs in a row, (3 of which hit you) and when you finally get an opening they pull some shitty scrub ultra, it hits you and you feel like shit.
Well I actually used to think that my tortilla was a safe one for a long time, till I realized I was a bit off with the timing. just to be on the safe side, check out brainz’s video:
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If we are talking about scrubby Sagat’s, then your best option is baiting thier TU or Ultra (and with these people you KNOW they will use ultra when they are desperate). Most of the time on wakeup they will TU, so just bait that with a run stop, or run back stop, or do corpse hopping (f.mk) to confuse them even more. try to act very active while they are knocked down to give them the impression that you will attack, and the scrub in them will force them to do TU. Then punish with the best combo you know (FA -> Ultra, FA -> RSF, f.HK -> EX guac, etc…).
Regarding jump and airthrow, if you jump a bit late, they will catch you with reverse ultra as you come down, but if you time it just right, you will either be able to land and block on time, or grab if they use another option. It’s a bit tricky though, I am still not very clear with the best timing yet so I tend to avoid this option, but it is a viable safe option from what I hear. I hope this helps :tup:
Safe Tortilla. And I;m talkin about the one where you fly PAST him. remember he’s too tall to interrupt the TU with Tortilla
EDIT: My ps3 went kaput. so I wont be able to do testing etc. I’ll be relying on you guys for info. I’m overdue for an update, I know, I’m sorry. this weekend on my off days (sunday and monday) I’ll update the matchups with new info and maybe dedicate another post to something else
kaput sux!sorry to hear…you need me to do any specific testing? heh i mean try anything specific?..
not really. I was just saying that right now I just wont be able to contribute directly sans for just updating the thread
An other little tidbit I found out today, don’t know if anyone knew already but if you j.HP towards Ken and then immediately do f.MK he’ll ‘corpsehop’ towards the other side! o.o
I’ll try this little gimmick out on the rest of the cast too and let you guys know, if it wasn’t mentioned before somewhere of course ^^
Edit: It also works with a j.HK
it has been talked about…i went through all of the cast a loooong time ago but i didnt think anyone cared lol …it depends on the character if you use J.HP or J.HK it also works weird with crouching chars. … I also have which chars reset in the corner after tortilla…i can post all of this info asap if more ppl are interested or feel its usefull,let me know and will post it up within the day… =) that being said…
yo n0skun,
so instead of going through corpshops after J.HK & J.HP with the cast…since i have that already it could save you the trouble.BUT do you think you could go through crouching characters an see what happens with corpshop?? i started to but if you are willing to do that part with the crouching chars then i wont bother i will just post the other stuff
I’m interested I can test it and stuff later tonight, you just wall jump at someone with J.HP, hit them and then shower kick?
either that or you could just do a regular jump in either way …lol try both and see… make sure that your testing this on crouching characters ima post up the info on corpshop for standing when i get home (hr or so) …i will have it all up and will organize it the best i can …
I just tried it, I understand why this is useless now. It’s just a gimmick, there’s no reason you should do a shower kick after a connected J. HP. I was under the impression this worked on block.
Edit: In the very small chance that this comes up, if an opponent is at low hp and I’m at high HP, I may use this to land a C.MK loop, that being said it would only be for flash.
Edit 2: you can also do it after a J. MP
i think that fuerte and gimmicks mix well heheh…plus it gives more options i think…after you corpshop you can cr.mk loop,RSF,cr.mk(if cr.mk counters) ->RSF,tick throw,S.fierce ->splash…i think the list could go on…i think its a great oppourtunity to apply good pressure =)
well anywho this is what i got…I just will list if you have to jump in fierce, roundhouse,or both to get the corpshop…
Able:Fierce
Akuma:Both
Balrog:Both
Blanka:Wont cross(of course lol)
Cammy:Wont cross
Chun:Wont cross
C.Viper:Both
Dan:Roundhouse
Dhalsim:Wont cross
Fei Long:Wont cross
Gen:Roundhouse
Gouken:Both
Honda:Both
Fuerte:Fierce
Guile:Wont cross
Ken:Both
Dictator:Both…and on block(thanks for showing that BRAINZ)
Rose:Wont cross
Rufus:Both (most of the time it hits him as you corpshop…)
Ryu:Both
Sagat:Wont cross
Sakura:Both
Vega:Roundhouse( hits on the way)
Gief:Wont cross
ADD ON: Tortilla reset in corner
The tortilla reset works on:
Shoto’s(Akuma,Ken,Ryu)
Cammy
Chun
Sim
Balrog/Boxer
Rufus
Sakura
tell me what youguys think of this info
Love it, thanks!
Reversal supers?! … off a blocked sweep
This is cool semi useless info … or is it? I was messing with other chars sweeps and with fuerte you can block a sweep and if you make it count as a reversal then super hits (flashy finisher im guessin … so far) …well if anyone can find more uses then plz share…
Able:Mk or Hk version…you have to kinda know the range so you know which to hit
Gen:All 3 versions… mantis style
Guile:All 3 versions works… Only if you block the 1st hit…(plz dont ever block the 2nd heheh)
Dictator:All 3 versions work
Ryu:Hk version…weird timing tho
Vega:Any 3 versions
basically anyone with slow sweeps lol …oh well
semi useless? idk?.. let me know what you guys think
Add on
Gen: if you see him in crane only…didnt put it up before because i figured it was useless…oh well