I have been improving a lot with fuerte lately, but there is one thing that bothers me greatly. I just can’t seem to do RSF consistently. I have been practicing it daily for weeks, but it seems that I am just not improving much. I go up to 2 counts and then hit a wall…
My question is, how vital is RSF to become a top Fuerte player? Are there any top players here or in the community in general who dont use RSF at all and still maintain a high win percentage?
I would say that for some matchups like akuma for example being able to rsf is vital at least to 3 or 4 hits.
BTW I don’t think I am going to play fuerte online anymore or very rarely. At SEB last weekend I was playing EXTREMELY subpar because I trained for it online exclusively…I had major online timingitis and couldn’t even rsf past 2 hits for the first hour I was there, I was mistiming meaty slide to jab, misplacing and mistiming tortilla grabs, it was pretty unfortunate. I was joking around that if someone played me on the laggy TV that I would show them a thing or two. I still beat quite a few people and lost to some good players (shinblanka and SSJ george bush(gief), both very close matches), but I can’t help but think that I actually had a chance to win that tournament if I had been able to do half the things that I can pull off regularly online…
So I think I’m gonna go mechanica’s route and play an alt when I play online from now on.
That makes me very concerned… I have been training online all the time, preparing for a tournament coming soon. The problem is I have no people around me who play the game, only a few and they are amatures. No arcade as well… Is there a way to practice Fuerte without going through online lag? I am afraid if I change characters I wont stay in shape as Fuerte…
I can also vouch for the playing online causing problems in my game. The lag difference aside, I recently started hitting up the local Arcade, and though I know the people I play against are good, I have some terrible habits and timing/distance issues that seem to be from me playing Online so much. Took me 6-7 rounds before I even got an RSF out at the arcade. :\ (With multiple stun/opportunities before that)
I dunno if my opinion counts since I’m not a high level player, but I think laggy practice is better than no practice at all. In fact, I’ve found that sometimes, because I can’t rely on doing safe Tortillas and stuff requiring split second timing or reflex, I have to resort to really pushing my mindgames.(playing Fuerte on one bar connection is Hell)
Although, yes, I’ve found that after mostly online play for a while, I keep mistiming even simple things like my Ultra when offline. That’s why whenever there’s a tourney or gathering, I see if I can go early and get in plenty of practice. Laggy online play is better than nothing I guess.
Timing is so extremely crucial for El Fuerte…
I am used to playing the Xbox 360 version, but I also have the PC version.
The Xbox 360 is connected to the game mode on my TV, but it still has more input lag than the PC version on the standard HDMI port on my TV with all kinds of postprocessing.
Consequently I cannot even do shower kick twice on PC, because I will press the 2nd f+mk too early. Hitting 1-frame links is easier though, but my RSF timing is completely botched due to the +/- 2-frames less input lag.
I’m lucky to live in the center of Europe though, where I have a 4-5 bar connection to pretty much everywhere.
Hey all; I’m just here to let you know of a new training system myself and Illwill79 have divised.
In this training program, we have regular tournaments, an Mirc chat room, a dedicated sub-forum for feedback on matches and several players who record matches.
The training program is strictly for dedicated players. You dont have to be the best (though we do have several strong players) you just have to be dedicated.
If you would be interested in joining this new program, please see the OP of this thread :
Paul.
hmmm, since I dont have access to any arcades, and no offline community close by, I decided that I have no choice but to keep practicing online. However, I will also make sure to choose matches with the least lag possible, and just stand there and lose if I there is any noticable lag to end the match quickly. Also, I have started to go to the Training mode, and noticed that using the record and playback functionalites can help me keep in shape regarding my timing. Of course, those are not ideal solutions, but its still better for me than stopping to use Fuerte online completely.
I will get a chance to test if this strategy works in the coming tournament in Dubai, I hope I can do well there to make us Fuerte users proud :tup:
Good luck in that Dubai tourney.
So guys, I didn’t want to make athread about this as I thought it’d be stupid. But I’ve been wondering whom I should have as an Alternate.
Some just say SHOTOS. But honestly everyone and anyone with half a brain can play a decent Shoto.
I consider myself to be a bit of a hotheaded player I’m always about being aggressive.
When I started playing SF4 I went straight to Gief as I do like Grapplers. But I switched to Fuerte as I had taken a liking to him. He’s really the only guy I use now.
So for my Alt, Should I go back to using Gief? Here are others I’ve taken to thinking of using:
Fei Long (Fast, great FA)
Chun-Li (full of tools, Air throw)
Vega (Air Throw, I think he, like Fuerte is Under-rated)
I entertained the thought of using Abel and Gief (Wrasslers UNITE!) But… yeah, I stink it up with Abel, and I feel my Gief has become to easy to read, and hes nothing more but a noob smasher to me
I use Fuerte all the time when I am serious, but when I relax and play with friends casually, I use either Dhalsim, Gen, Chunli, Akuma, or Random Select. From your list, I would pick Chunli because she is very different from the rest of the cast, she has interesting and effective tools, and it takes some effort to be good with her (can be a good compliment to a Fuerte player), but Vega is also good since you can surprise the opponent with mind games (a bit similar to Fuerte in a way I guess). I am not crazy about Abel and Gief, Fei Long not so sure about.
Don’t play gief as a 2nd, you don’t want both of your characters to lose to akuma for free.
I play akuma as my 2nd character, which handles my bad fuerte matchups nicely. I think my akuma will be better than my fuerte a month from now unfortunately, it’s refreshing to play him and actually feel like I am at the advantage in most of my matchups. I think at my next tournament I will definitely play akuma if the opponent is a rufus or akuma. I am very confident vs. rufus as akuma but as fuerte I really feel like I have to get lucky and just guess right every time for the whole match to win(which does happen from time to time, but that isn’t a consistent way to win a 3/5 set unfortunately).
Basically when you pick your 2nd guy you want to pick a guy that beats the characters that your main character loses to, IMO, so you can have a backup plan.
I’ve been thinking of trying out Akuma, but been using Sakura a lot lately as a 2nd (though Cammy is still probably my second best character as far as how good I am with them).
I wanted to go with Abel as my 2nd after ditching Gief, but he has some similar weaknesses to Fuerte, so I switched to Boxer.
Boxer feels so easy mode though…I fail to execute so many things with Fuerte, while Boxer links come out smooth as silk 99% of the time.
Punch punch jab jab jab jab headbutt HAHAHAHA
I don’t think I could play Boxer because I hate him so. :\
I think I read it best in the Boxer thread;
jab jab jab Headbutt SAY GOOD NIGHT CHUMP!!!
I’ll pick someone… but it wont be a shoto. I’m WAYYYYY too predictable and by-the-book with Shotos…Then again Akuma DOES have that oh so lovely Demon Flip
As for me, I like to play as Gen and Dhalsim mostly as seconds, but really i am very happy to have Fuerte as my main. He does have some nasty matchups, but I just love the challenge that comes with learning him. You always have to stay on top of the game and read the other player’s mind, which makes it more exciting for me.
If I seriously want to pick up a 2nd main, it would have to be someone who covers Fuerte’s weaknesses, otherwise there is no point. I would say the perfect compliment for Fuerte would be a shoto, unfortunately, maybe Ryu since he has a very well rounded set of tools (Akuma is good, but he even has lower health than Akuma, can be risky).
@ Densou: To respond to your original question, and from the list of alternatives you provided, I think Chunli is good, since you really don’t seem to like shotos.
Dunno if its been mentioned before, but I noticed an oddity in elf’s super against Abel.
I popped the Dynamite after run -> MK (missed the cancel though) on Abel, dude pops his Ultra and I instantly start thinking man this is gonna suck balls. Crazy enough though it actually wound up doing some weird trade. I got smacked with the initial punch of his ultra and elf made that crazy i’m in so much pain face, and crumpled. Abel got knocked back to the corner.
Not really useful but its an interesting point. Figured I’d toss it into general discussion.
o_O thats pretty crazy… considering how much damage Abel’s full ultra does… yeah
In what situation is it good to use forward MK? if any.
What priority does it have?
(probably already asked, but didnt want to go through all the pages)