At this point I don’t really care for buffs at all, just no nerfs please 
Keep Fuerte as is and I’ll be thrilled. I am really really scared…
If U2 damage gets a very hard nerf, I’m going to rage more. If he gets more nerfs like EX Guac isn’t invincible, has more recovery, sudden stop has recovery, I’m dropping him probably.
i agree with leaving him the way he is. no nerfing sounds like the best thing to do with elf! if they were gonna fiddle with something it would be nice to make guac a usable move other than the ex version. i hate trading or getting straight up beat by a jump in kick.
I will never switch mains, so if Fuerte becomes unplayable I am pretty much dropping the whole game… not interested much in maining anyone else.
So it wasn’t my execution screwing up then?
That reminds me, I’ve been checking the EventHubs frame data tables for links and his stop apparently has 3 frames of recovery which I can’t say I agree with.
That Guac trade has to be one of the dumbest trades in the game. Could we at least get some damage on that initial grab?
Likewise, I don’t intend to drop him, but I have Ibuki as a backup should our worst fears come to realization.
Oh, and, akashwan, what about Rainbow Mika if she’s confirmed?:wgrin:
Fuerte needs to approve first if I am to use Mika loool
It will be fun having a secondary like Mika (currently its Makoto), its fun to mess around a bit with other characters too. But its virtually impossible to have anyone else other than the luchador as my main. He is pretty much the primary reason I got REALLY interested in the game in the first place. So I am sure that if he was not a choice (God forbid!), I will probably play the game a lot less, possibly drop it at some point simply because it will be much less fun to me.
I agree. Capcom listens to scrubs mostly. El Fuerte’s U2 is not game changing, but it’s still too early to call. If anything, El Fuerte needs a bit more buffs in a few areas, but like everyone else, I’ll make him a secondary if they really tone him down. He has a hard enough time as it is.
For now, I’m learning Hakan, JUST IN CASE. But if R Mika hits the scene, I’m saying goodbye to this board.
If they mess with things drastically they’ll ruin him. Let’s not jump the gun.
I don’t know if Capcom listens to scrubs in regards to Fuerte. Then again, we have so many people salado after we fight them that it would make sense for scrubs to make complaints.
askashwan, I think they’ll make the Mika fanboy thing canon considering that at least part of the El Fuerte-T.Hawk was made canon. I’m just wondering… What’s your playstyle? If it’s oki and mixup, Ibuki’s good fun.
I call bs.
@The subs: Wtf is with Fuerte mainers going to Ibuki? Anyways, I had some subs but they’re most likely getting dropped because of bullshit (Seth (WHAT THE FUCK?), Cammy)
I think I’m the only one here that’s vocal about my Ibuki usage. I don’t recall anyone else. I just said that if worst come to worst, I have her to fall back on. Given my stubbornness, however, I’ll be dropping El Fuerte the day I drop dead.
Idk man, I just feel that a lot of people go to Ibuki but I can’t really nail anyone (no homo) now that you mention it
These changes were found on the Japanese SSF4 wiki. If anyone speaks Japanese, I’d appreciate it.
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The google translation(and my knowledge of katakana) suggest that there was a nerf on Ultra Spark (which we knew), but that’s not the worst thing.
I hope to God there was something important lost in translation because this says that EX Dash lost invincibility on wakeup.
That’s depressing as fuck
wait how exactly do you kara cancel u2?
and as for ex run on wake up. was it ever really invincible? i mean you they can still grab/hit you and you’ll absorb it
Kara cancel: QCBx2 + PP~KKK I think. It cancels the EX run into U2 and not one meter gets burned.
Yeah EX run was semi invincible on wakeup. It would not get you hit but it would get you thrown. I don’t think it’s too hard to predict when a throw is coming anyways.
ohhh thats what you guys mean by kara cancel i thought it was called focus cancel
Oh? Fucked if i ever noticed that. As long as it still has the absorbtion properties then this shouldnt be TOO significant should it? Or is that what they are talking about? The idea that this has been nerfed is a bit worrying, but all the same, we might be panicking about something that wont even affect us all that much.
As for nerfing the spark, im not too miffed about that. Spark is pretty awesome. Like, REALLY awesome. Ive seen far too many bad fuertes get a totally underserved win because of it too. At this point im going to reserve judgement until we get some numbers. Its an ultra. I doubt theyre going to make it THAT bad. As long as we still have the Kara cancel, and as long as its still as fast as it is currently and retains all of its uses, then im not going to cry about it.
@Kuma: My style is generally mixups but I never felt I liked Ibuki’s style much. Makoto is currently my secondary since her style is a bit more appealing to me, like her fast dash a lot, but I seem to have got sooo addicted to Fuerte that I can’t imagine maining any character that can’t run lol (And Guy doesn’t count since he is much much slower).
I am already prepared for the worst, honestly I don’t even feel like playing the game anymore if they plan to just nerf him like this. I don’t care if this is testing or not, but just the fact that they are testing this kind of crap (not just for Fuerte but for so many other characters) gives an indication to the retarded direction they have in mind to “fix” the game.
Regarding what Kuma posted in Japanese, I tried to use a more advanced translator (jisho.org) and here is what I got:
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??? ??: This indeed means what Kuma said, that invicibility of wakeup dash is gone. Not sure exactly what that means in context of the game tbh, and it doesn’t seem certain from the question marks lol
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??K???: Didn’t quite get the overall meaning, but something far reaching has been strengthend I think (possibly a buff from the wording!!!).