Says who? From what it sounds like, all fighting games are supposed to be capable of being played in serious tournaments. I wonder if God decreed this somewhere… maybe in Urien 2:34…
Who am I kidding? There is no set rule anywhere. A lot of people are assuming that this game is REQUIRED to be complex and worthy of tournament play, and reality tells us that EA (or Capcom or anyone else) doesn’t owe us jack-scheise. Then again, knowing our mainstream gaming audience (at least in the US), they’ll probably get bored of the game and drop it after a while–unless EA pulls a Bungie on us and continually updates the game (fat chance).
I tell you what: this game is going to sell sell sell. Why? Because there are more casual mainstream gamers (who like mainstream superheroes) than those who like 2D or 3D fighters like us. Hell, there are probably more comic book fans than those of use who like fighters.
Still… if this game does sell like hot-cakes (and it would have to bring in A LOT of money), Capcom could consider making a new VS game, but since they have no rights to the Marvel license, they could pursue other comic book licenses. Green Lantern vs Ryu?
**how in the world can a company be dead that has consistantly drop games every year since 1998?!?! i mean capcom hasn’t given us a fighter every year, but cats give them way more respect. while snk continued to give me something new. i understand all the graphic arguements but i like the games and this year we have samuri showdown 0, neo geo battle colleseum, kof neo wave, and what ever else they decide to make. hell no their games don’t look like ggxx or 3rd strike, but they 6 kof’s where the characters continue to change and grow, i don’t know about most cats but that’s a good thing to me.
a and i’m sorry i don’t mean to single u out. i just saw this and the above is what i thought.
my only problem with ea is that haven’t made a good game yet outside of sports. and that everyone wants mvc3 so it don’t matter who make the next fighter with marvel characters most cats are going to hate it on the jump off
So if a game isn’t fun and it isn’t competitive people will actually play it?
do you see anyone playing E.T for atari?
Even if it sold if it isn’t fun
no one will play it
if you can’t even have fun competing with your friends
you won’t play it
it’s not rocket science its’ common sense
if they don’t find anything broken and it turns out to be svc calibur broken they wouldn’t be playing it alot anyways but even the people who would have played it (competitive gamers)prolly won’t play it either.
With Sammy’s non-gaming enterprises controlling like 60% pachinko in japan, who cares, theyll always be around… they venture outwards with their other shit and its dissapointing, who cares… they still got the $$ to pump out anything. And with SEGA being acquired, theres a lot more on the general gaming front that they can continue to do.
It’s so long ago that it really doesn’t apply (‘competitive’ games made back then were limited to a few sports games).
The point is that the game has to be fun, not necessarily competitive. You don’t see Powerstone tournaments out there, but the game is still fun. You make it sound like every fighting game is supposed to be a complex fighting game like SF3: Third Strike or Guilty Gear XX. Games that are basic in nature but fun do sell. I bet HAL/Nintendo didn’t intend to make Super Smash Bros Melee a tournament worthy game, but it is. Hell, I don’t even think Street Fighter was originally intended to be a tournament game. Competitive, sure it is–but do you really believe that every company that makes a fighting game makes it so that it is tournament quality?
Now, if you want to talk about ‘competitive’ then you can make the argument that ALL fighting games are competitive, from the best of the best (SF, KOF, Guilty Gear) to the worst of the worst (SvC Chaos, CFJ, Shaq Fu) merely because when two people play, they both ‘compete’ so that one is the victor. This is sharply different from a ‘tournament quality’ game.
There IS a difference between ‘competitive’ and ‘tournament-quality.’ While every fighting game is ‘competitive’, not every game has to be ‘tournament quality.’ If there was a law saying that all fighters HAVE to be tournament quality, then we’d all be playing SHaq-Fu at Evo.
but you are the one that is seeing things that are not there
If a fighting game is not competitive on some level it will fail period.
Fighting games that are fun and not competive i’d imagine would have to be a mix of other games.
You can’t play single player and expect to have fun with a fighting game (even alpha’s world tour system would grow tiring) it has to be competitive
end of discussion.
I don’t know why your making this more complicated than it has to be
this is what i believe about fighitng games
Competitive games that are fun at the beginning tend to succeed
but if someone finds something like zero’s infinite for example, that coupled with ways to almost certainly get you into it it will take away any other strats the game cuold have had
taht’s why it’s important for it to be balanced and be checked for bugs as much as possible
and ea is a newbie when it comes to fighting games, it leads me to believe they will fuck up on this front.
edit: there’s a difference between tournament quality
and just quality
if a game is crap it will show.
not all tournament quality games are played at tournaments
TMNT: Tournament fighters and Gundam wing come to mind
Now we’re getting somewhere-- what we’re really after is quality. That’s important. THe game needs to (A) not be broken and (B) not be crap. I’ll agree on this.
Moving on… have videos of the game in action been released? We’re making judgements based soley on the few shots and concept art that exists. Who are we to say if the game will suck or not until we’ve played it (or at least seen videos of the game in action). And remember, anything we see now is not necessarily going to be in the final build (remember the very first CvS shots).
Now, I know EA is involved, and frankly I also have bad feelings about them. But really, all the bashing on this game seems to come from people upset that Capcom lost the Marvel license and because of this, MvC3 might never happen. Still, not the end of the world (if Capcom was smart, they’d be courting DC).
Slow down there buddy.
Hardcore SNK fanboy right here.
& SNK is dead it’s all SNKP(laymore) now.
I never compain about the graphics at all I just care about good games & SNKP has not put out A good game since…Well never.
I do have hope for Neowave & NGBC but i’m not going to hold my breath waiting for them.
Back on topic,
EA sucks.
Well, you’re entitled to your opinion, but just because you say SNK games suck doesn’t mean that it’s a universal law. I don’t think God decreed that all SNK games sucked and that Capcom is divine. I can say Capcom sucks, but will it be universal?
SNK isn’t dead. It’s alive in a new form. SNK by any other name (SNK Playmore) is still SNK. And it’s still making money, right? People are playing their games and people are buying the console ports. Hell, people are still buying Neo Geo AES carts of the latest games. And they have consistently developed more fighting games than any other company, including Capcom (has Capcom worked on a new fighting game every year since 1994?).
The point is–at least SNK is making fighting games right now. What fighters is Capcom making?
WTF?
Whare did I say SNK sucks?
I said EA sucks but never SNK.
SNK >=< Capcom.
Look all I am really saying is SNK is not the same company it used to be.
& just coz they put A new fighter out every year does not mean squat, How many quality fighters have come out of SNKP since KoF98 & Garou?
And BTW, I AM one of those people still buying AES, MVS, & Neo CD games.
EA still sucks tho.
I think this is going to be some sort of Def Jam FFNY with the famous marvel/EA characters. i don’t like EA that much but i’m pretty curious hwta they make of it…
Your points conflict with each other it seems. I agree with the stance of fixing bugs and infinites, but it doesn’t take a fighting powerhouse to check for that, i think my little sister could have found the zero infinite if she had a beta, it’s not a big deal.
That has nothing to do with overall balance, currently the games with the most balance are the least competitive (#R,VF4). The only game that is decent with comp is T5, because namco decided to actually back it with a national tournament, advertising, and a widespread release.
To be honest balance is overrated, you can always fix it later like the MMORPGs do, as long as there’s no one move infinites the game will probably pass the most important factor is how many people are going to play the game. However the game plays i’m sure we’ll learn it and be good at it if theres money in it.
FM: I wouldnt go as far as to say balance is overrated. IMO if CvS2 didnt have the balance it does, it wouldnt have lasted this long. Balance is good in a fighter and should be there if its at all possible.
Poor balance does not necessarily break a game though (see MvC2). Balance shpuld be part of the overall product of the game along with checking for glitches, infinites and things of that nature.
Although i’ve been a Capcom fan since day one , i must agree with you on this. Capcom hasn’t done anything new for their fans since a long time while SNK is rocking the 2d fighting world every year with their brilliant KOF games.The last fighting game capcom had released was Capcom’s fighting jam…and this must be the worst fighting game i’ve played in a verry long time …i felt emberrased as a Capcom fan… This game is so cheap and they think they can get away with it that easy…? Well, their Streetfighter fanbase know a bad game when they play one.
Capcom isn’t what it used to be when it comes to 2d fighting games …the games that made them what they are now…
Like everyone else I wish Capcom would make more 2d fighters, but I also wish people would stop acting like Capcom owes it to their fanbase to make them :rolleyes:
I don’t know. A lot of people are saying KOF’02 is the best thing since '98 (though I don’t). Personally, I think '02 and '03 are fairly good quality (though they’re not perfect, they are good). The last ‘good’ game Capcom has put out IMHO is probably CvS2 back in 2001. Since then, it was 3 years before Capcom put out CFJ.
Anyway, NO MORE FANBOY CAPCOM VS SNK TALK!
Don’t judge a book by its cover when it comes to Marvel vs EA. Have bad expectations, but don’t say the game sucks before you even play it.
