Sounds like you’ve never played a good Rose? Slide can be made safe. Rose Dudley is probably around 6-4. You can’t jump on Rose period, and her slide is beast at max range. She doesn’t have to press buttons at all at close range and all of her pokes are better than yours. How is this not a bad matchup? It’s the epitome of what Dudley is bad at: Beating low pokes and stoping people who are good at poking from afar. It’s like playing the Chun-Li matchup only Rose has better rush down.
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Yeah, Rose is a bad MU. I think some ppl here have misunderstood what tiers and MU even mean. If you fight a rose you are in a disadvantage, if you are godlike and can get past that its great but you still have an uphill battle. I’ve have 90% win rate against rose, but that’s just because ppl online don’t know the dudley MU(not even I know how to fight dudleys!) and like pressing buttons.
So how’s the vega MU going to be? His cosmic heel got nerfed and is free to punish if you block it. Is that going to help?
So does anyone know if U1 startup was nerfed? If it was thats so sad, one of the best ultras to catch whiffed normal specially in some matchups.
It’ll probably be around the same. Heel is annoying and it’s nice that you can get basically a free big combo off of it now, but it doesn’t make his normal claw moves any worse.
im so free… so free
Do follow ups of EX duck have different proprieties than non ex version?Marn said that after lp Dp ~ ex duck straight you cant combo , but we know that after trade lp DP ~ duck straight you can do HP DP or lp mgb etc.
Rose isn’t that bad. Neither is Akuma.
Never played a good rose?
I’m not one to throw out names so I wont. There’s plenty of ways to keep her from sliding in on you from her safest range. (have you seen trade c.MK vs rose? Option selects for days.
it’s a 5.5-4.5 MU
Didnt mention anything about jumping in.
And she cant pressure you with Spiral strings on hit that wont connect ( harder for her to pressure you into blocking an unsafe string. It’s not like its as good as rufus’s cl.HP xx Tornado
In AE it’s gong to be even or in Dudley’s favor because she lost her main get out of jail card vs Dudley (ex spial /throw /backdash can all be beat by meaty short/f.HP, f.MK)
Just because you press HP too much doesnt mean everyone else does.
Taking away the invincibility of U2 has made the Rose matchup a breeze in AE.
The worst was losing 1/4 to 1/2 your life to get in, doing enough damage to give them U2,
them activating it, and the match reseting all over again. If you were unlucky they would get ultra 2x a round.
Her slide is a non factor in this match. St hk beats it out clean when spaced. That is an easy +300 damage if you have ex. Plus it puts you close range. The only mid range pokes to worry about now are st hk, cr hk, and cr mp. I wouldn’t be surprised if down the line this matchup became 5/5.
So I was reading the Rose forums and it seems that U2 isnt trash now. If you hit her during her start up she wont be able to block but she’ll keep the orbs even ifyou hit her. So you’ll trade and wont be able to combo!
btw rose players say its 6-4 rose adv and I agree.
Why do you run away from Rose when she activates U2? Bait it out with meaty crLK so you recover in time and take the chip damage and tech the throw. Backing off is free meter building and space that you shouldn’t be giving Rose.
Is the recovery big ? bait into your own ultra would be awesome…
People don’t block enough against Rose. Make her actually throw you first before you let her blow you up with counter hits.
On hit that won’t connect? What does that even mean.
Rose can’t spam spiral arrow for free, but I’d hardly call a one frame punish something that you can rely on in a best of 3 match. Especially when she can spam ex spiral arrow after a blocked one, just to test you, AND she can still space it so our raptor arm st. hk won’t reach it to punish.
She can still use it to reset the match, she just can’t use it to combo into 400 damage if done as a wakeup reversal. This will change nothing in the overall matchup, because if you time a meaty she’s only taking 1 hit to get you off of her. That isn’t a bad trade when it pushes you back and puts her back at the advantage.
I never even brought up HP so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Like I said, playing bad Rose’s online doesn’t mean you know the matchup. Sabin’s Rose would shit on anyone’s Dudley. I’ve seen it first hand. The matchup is not good. I’d say it’s worse than Chun and maybe a notch below Guile.
Lol? Are you reading what you’re saying? So you’re saying she’s at the advantage face up, but all that changes once you’re on the ground after an untechable knockdown?
She can rush you down whenever she wants to, yet you can’t. She can poke from wherever and all you can do is guess (or predict as you pro’s like to call it) when to punish the startup of her slide.
I hate when people scream Option-Select like it’s the end all be all for good Dudley footsies. If you’re option-selecting, you’re just making it obvious that you’re fishing for counter pokes. Any GOOD Rose player (or anyone with real footsies) will see this and just whiff punish your pokes. Meaning she doesn’t even have to press buttons from mid range to beat you.
Explain how the hell that spells out an even matchup?
Quotes had beat Arturo’s Rose before. Art switched to Dhalsim lol. But that was a few months ago.
Dudley is actually pretty good at not getting rushdowned himself. But once they get in, he has a hard time getting them off.
Rose matchup isn’t even at all. Rose’s design is what Dudley has a hard time against.
Mr. X, you’re right. But what people forget about the Rose Dudley matchup is her slide is free pressure.
Good long range pokes, a nasty mid range game, and the best backdash in the game is all you need to give Dudley a hard time. Saying this matchup is even is a little mind boggling to me.
I’ll even do you one better thirtyfour, explain to me how you would have played this match better than Hai did against Gooteck’s Rose:
The greatest Rose player in the world uses her in a situation where you have to guess between cr.MP xx Soul Spiral, throw or the OTG kick.
That’s her most dangerous position.
I was merely saying there is a lot to be gained from just blocking if she is trying to pressure you. If you disagree with that then fair enough.
I’m not sure if I would consider Arturo’s rose being as good as Luffy’s. I don’t think any dudley player could beat Luffy in a f10, not even marn.
About Rose U2. Well I’m not sure if you can punish her U2 with an ultra besides Zangief U1 but otherwise Ex JU should work. ex JU fadc U2 could be pretty good since the orbs wouldn’t hit you during U2 startup. I actually already do ex JU fadc on Rose’s wake up but the difference in AE is that it’ll never fail lol.
Oh, I agree with you. But you’re only reinforcing my main point that she can rush you down or space you out for free. You basically have to pick your poison, and either way you’re at a disadvantage.