ah well seen the rose used in a few videos and it looks completely useless. too bad.
Yeah Dudley was never about shoryuing people all over the place minus maybe his EX version and his EX version was easily meatied too. Though if Dudley has a 2 frame jab that’s basically better than a good shoryu now that shoryu FADC has been nerfed anyways. :lol:
There’s no way he has a 2 frame job when Balrog doesn’t have one.
Even off of super in the corner?
I see a lot of potential with the rose, especiially if it has really low hit stun, but still interrupts your opponents attack when it hits them. Easy trade combos 24/7 XD
no one ever used the rose correctly in the videos…as if they knew how to use dudley anyway. they would sweep and backdash, or ex mgb and sit there. random ultra on wakeup, naked supers. It was pitiful. i just mostly stared at the ex bar and saw how fast it was filling during most of the videos.
I’ve heard that the rose is used for keeping people from jumping on wakeup. That’s kinda nice, but it can probably be srk’d through. I wish there was more info on it. Gotch hasn’t said anything regarding the rose? that’s the one mystery of dudley i want answered!
If you jump into the rose it puts you into juggle state. If it hits you while you are throwing out a move such as crouching Jab, it scores a counter hit. Otherwise it puts you into momentary blockstun on block. But it is very slow coming out. Much slower than 3S. It’s used after an untechable knockdown in the corner to put you at frame advantage to do 50/50 high low mix up.
That sounds pretty sick to me.
How is the hitstun of the rose? less tahan a Jab, or the same, or maybe more?
anyone know if he has his machine gun juggle like in 3s… after a ex one of course
Quite sure it doesn’t. SSFIV=stricter juggles.
i’m not gonna wade through this and quote it, but it has been said that EX MGB, Jab MGB does juggle.
So, watching the reveal trailer again, the rose looks like it has a really high arc. AA Rose juggle to ultra anyone? Rose FADC shenanigans?
I thought he meant doing like 3 LP MGBs in a row. Mind you, I have never played 3S, only seen combo videos.
Quite sure you can’t FADC the Rose.
AA Rose of Victory juggle state > Rowwwwin’ Sundah.
Less than a Jab. You can only combo off it from a Counter Hit.
You cannot juggle into Rolling Thunder.
Machine Gun Blow does not end with a single hit as it did in 3S, so you cannot make the first hits whiff like you used to. You can juggle Corkscrew Cross and Super after a Jab Machine Gun Blow in the corner if they have already been launched.
If it has any hitstun at all and you recover at least two frames before it hits then you could combo off of it. This makes no sense to me.
How do you know that you can’t FADC the rose? You have no idea, stop stating your opinion or guesses as fact.
I think he means that Dudley only recovers in time from the move to follo-up with a combo on CH. You can still probably jab him out of his recovery and have him combo after a non-CH Rose hit.
It’s not a special move. I just based my statement om the only similar move in Vanilla SFIV, Dan’s Ducking taunt. It’s still possible that it is FADCable, but IIRC, they said that they didn’t want it to be a powerful tool. And How is “(I’m) Quite sure” stating it as a fact?
That makes it perfect to do double trade combos on Dudley, unless trading two grounded moves also results in a double knockdown. Or maybe not. But it should make it a good move to do trades after the first hit in the combo.
alright, so, we’ve talked about all the Pros a lot…but what about his cons?
- His srk trades and gets beat but that’s what everyone is saying about srks in general.
- all but his jab mgb have been really unsafe since 3s. they probably are still unsafe.
- wakeup overhead mixup is a really tight link besides cancelling into super.
- ultra is harder to land full non cinematic hits from juggle than other juggle ultras(from the video i’ve seen: 6 hits).
- to land full corkscrew cross animation, you have to burn 3 exs afaik.
- he’s gonna get a lot of hate because of god tier.
anything else you guys notice? it doesn’t outweigh his awesomeness, there isn’t a glaring weakness that i’ve noticed at all.
When Ryu has you at cr.mk range you’re gonna notice real quick one of his ‘glaring weaknesses.’
How do you know that he has no footsie options? You have no idea, stop stating your opinion or guesses as fact.
Quickly walk into c.mk range -> backswing blow = owned
walk in and out of cmk range and sweep as a counterpoke = match over. If ryu counter pokes one of your footsies you’ll probably eat less than 200 damage. If you land a sweep with ultra thats probably the end.