Dragonball Z Tenkaichi 3

everything shouldnt be expected to follow one principle of competitive gaming. madden isn’t played 2 out of 3 is it? There is nothing wrong with different games working under a different scheme. I can guarantee you alot of the online play is going to use potaras, and alienating that segment of the player base doesnt seem like a good idea to me. At the very least, I say you allow both and see how many people are willing to show. If nobody wants to play with potaras then cancel it(hell thats what usually happens when people schedule SC3 tournies).

“Why else would you expect high stat characters like SSJ4 Gogeta to be very limited in terms of B1 strategy compared to a low stat character like Chiaotzu”

goes against customization.
Why is it that chars. with high stats have bad B1s?
While chars with low stats have better B1s?

That sounds like balance to me right there.
Good Stats vs Good Abilities"

the thing is all the new restrictions have made it more difficult to make use of the b1’s which is why you need the new potaras that spike designed. At least thats what I got out of Sprawlers comments. Correct me if i’m wrong.

No codes, No passwords, No handicaps, no Secret Characters and No Glitches. These rules have been the foundation to countless structured tournaments not long before I started playing video games at 4 years old. I understand change is required for evolution in competitive gaming however the fundamental principles should always stay true to its original form. If not, then there is no principle foundation to build further on. I don’t know what you may have comprehended in my last post but this is the meaning of what I’m talking about. I have not agreed on anything Jeron has said “Specifically”. I am just saying play the game based on the fundamental principle of competitive gaming.

handicaps are there to account for differences in the skill of the players. Potaras are dealing with balance of in game characters. besides handicaps arent used because it’s too subjective a system to be used in hopes of balancing out the playing field.

No secret characters - the naruto scene as well as the snk scene use secret characters. svc chaos for example. Despite how broken geese and zero were they are allowed anyway.

no glitches - glitches are used all the time. CVS 2 is the prime example(RCs and so much more) and any attempts to play without them are ignored. some glitches are banned but it’s a case by case basis and not a general rule of thumb.

codes and secrets change are extra inputs designed to change the very engine or characters with the intent of overpowering something or someone in a non competitive context to begin with. Potara’s are designed for the game. They are not a hidden bonus of any sort.

Ok…Im going to take but 5 minutes of my time which I really dont have now to reply to all of this!

  1. I did not say transformation characters were not allowed! I said you cannot pick a chracters 2nd, 3rd and so forth forms off the back! You have to transform in the game. Maybe IM not the one that needs to speak english here! Do not insult me!!!
  2. If you look back a page or 2 I did not say YOU (the player) can only transform a Great Ape form with a Moon bearing on it. That is something simply that is in the game. In Budokai Tenkaichi 3 pick Fasha and go to the move list…In that move list it tells you how to do here transformation and under that it states that “Fasha can only turn Great Ape with Stages with a Moon” …
    Now if you would have took but 2 minutes to actually read what i put in reference to that you wouldnt have made that foolish ass statement about me trying to make it like some anime. I dont even like Dragon Ballz bruh! I like Shenron and the Androids so again,(coincidently amongst some characters I play) so I dont know why your getting loud and coming out your place with that!
    Lastly I myself never made any statement in reference to myself about being Top whatever in this game. I dont dont know if that was a general reference or directed to me but the game JUST came out. Why am I gonna say im the best when no official tourny has the grounds to prove so!?

On a side note what triforce meant about Default settings are that of things in game like Time, speed etc. The only thing you can change in this game as far as settings is Time.

Final Showdown: If you have a problem or disagree with what the rules are going to be then I think you can find another way to express so without getting loud with me and making abrupt comments. Again I am listening and reading what everyone has to say thats including you but it seems like all you do is come in here and bash and try and find things wrong with the game so you can make yourself feel different or whatever reason…I dont know and dont care honestly. If you have something to say about what was posted earlier all you have to do is say " Jeron…I looked at your rules and I think this is wrong, whatever whatever" "This is what I think you should do"Like what some guys have already done here.
No you come on here just ranting why this is dumb and that is dumb and not giving any giving any feedback whatsoever.
I am officially done with this matter. If for whatever reason your trying to one up me, call me out or have a Big Dick contest then you can come on here and make a non-rebutting post. No probs man seriously although its the internet and ppl will blow things out of porportion Im just telling it to you how it is from one player to another. Fuck all this top player satus bullshit because I dont believe in that anyway. Most Top players are assholes and almost anyone that knows me will tell you that Im nothing like that. I just dont take well to certain comments formed disrespectfully to challenge my credibility!
lol this is all really funny to me especially now that alot of people have been on this thread and usually when Triforce posts theres always heat! so i know ppl are looking here.
Its all good because I think Triforce likes the heat anyway! :rofl:
That bastard!!!

I didnt agree with what Triforce said about the general statement about gamers and I let him know that and now Im just saying it here. He just has a certain way of explaining things and has a lower tolerance for things more than myself and let me tell you thats definetly not alot! lol

I am 100% open to suggestions and I am looking at this thread trust me. As far as the vids. Yes I did promise BT2 videos but due to my schedule and alot of personal hectic things going on I could not get to it in time before 3’s release but now that I have the time I have already been on top of getting ahold of a camcorder and getting matches uploaded sooner than you may think. Im out! Everyone enjoy your Thanksgiving and have a good one!

Continue to support Tenkaichi 3!
Thanks!

Jeron

I know thats what you said. And again its stupid. Did you miss what I said about janemba? The transformed version of the character isnt even remotely the same, yet to get him youd have to transform in battle. That is fucking retarded. I also brought up master roshi or did you miss that. Oh gawd, not buff master roshi. You cant pick him off the bat. Hes waaaaaaaay to powerfull. You have to transform to get him. Seriously thats dum.

Play the game. No random rules. Everyone can be picked. Your takeing away people from being able to play there characters that they like with these transformations. And like I said some characters when they transform arent even remotely the same like jenemba. And whats more I cant think of anyone that even likes fat janemba when they talk about characters they like. I thought if people liked the character they always liked the devil looking one, but now your elinateing them into picking fat yellow blob first.

And the TFGM talked about you having a cam corder trying to show the community high level play or whatever. Thats why I brought that up. People talking about high level is pretty laughable as people are still posting BS combos for some reasons that dont even come close to comboing. So anything high level is taken wtih a huge grain of salt when I hear stuff like that.

I can’t say I agree.
Let me ask you, do you think it’s too hard to build up B1?
I don’t think so. When you consider that:

  1. You build up B1 stock much faster from deflecting Ki attacks(^)
  2. I’ve heard that you get 1 from teleporting B2 attacks.

It’s not that hard being defensive against an opponent when the highest true combo is 5 Square attacks.
Everything in this game can be parried(with a few exceptions)
Most attacks can be teleported.

Finally, I don’t agree with Sprawlers when he went on that rant about what should’ve been and what could’ve been.
This isn’t Tenkaichi 1 or 2.
After Image and Ginyu Full Power used to be 1 now they’re 2.
I don’t make the judgement that because they raised it, it’s some message that they intended for us to change it. I look at it as some rebalance issue.
I mean seriously, does it sound right that something like after image should still be 1 blast stock?
Power to the Max costs 3 blast stocks for GogetaSSJ4 and BrolyLSSJ in this game.
added to that, they get 6 blast stocks each. That’s two max power ups.
That also I consider a rebalance on Spike’s part.
That’s why chars. with better stats don’t have better B1’s or why they cost more.

Anyways, I’ve gotta go now so I’ll end with this:
NONE
as in there have been no official tourney for this game.
Establishing rules is almost pointless. I do think we should get a default tourney at least before passing judgement. Meaning:

Char: Pick any( I prefer 1 on 1, but if 2vs2 or 3vs3 would rather be had, fine )
Stage: Random( This is the first rules that I think will probably be changed, but so to speak I leave fate to decide stages )
Customs: None
Transformations: Free

Could just be me, but I enjoy playing default games. Of course that may be just me, but I have no problems with the changing times.
If a rule is changed, than so be it.
Also, I’m not saying that Customs should never be considered. For Casual games, I’m gonna explore the potara system and everything it offers. For Tourney sake though, I don’t think they should be used.

I’ll let sprawlers argue the potara issue, since I haven’t had much time to really spend with the potaras at all. I have no issue with default settings, I just think that potaras should be attempted is all. Anything that could potentially add strategy should be considered is all. The bottom line is that whatever is more balanced should be the norm.

I do however strongly disagree with making base forms mandatory.

Alot of points I want to address… so I’ll go nitpicking here, if no one minds:

How often is someone going to shoot ki blasts at you just so you can build B1?
You used to get 1 from teleporting B2 attacks, and half from teleporting melee attacks. Like I said, these don’t happen any more, and you now need potaras to do this.

So… you think Chiaotzu or Hercule are going to put up a good fight against LSSJ Broly? Without potaras, the game gets thrown completely off balance… I think there’s a very clear reason why: Spike created the characters with potaras in mind.

After image used to be 1 only for Chiaotzu and Burter. But now its two. If after image still costed 1 for them, they would both have B1s that only costed 1 blast bar. Why throw the game off balance like that when there are potaras that reduce blast stock usage by 1 and boost blast 1 growth rate?

Here’s another good one: Tien is now one of the only characters who can use wild sense for 2 bars. His solar flare costs 2 bars too. So with lover of justice, he has two B1s that cost 1 bar. Add that he is lower tier in terms of stats. I understand correlation doesn’t prove causation, but there’s way too much correlational data to just ignore things like this.

This wasn’t a balance issue to begin with. Max power for them has always costed 3 blast bars.

No excuses. It’s STILL customization. It works because Crafts & Meister created their characters with the skill trees in mind so the game remained balanced. Spike clearly created the characters with potaras in mind too.

You don’t get it… this game was created without the intention of being played on the foundation and principle of competitive gaming. Can’t you see Spike was trying to go in a different direction?

The good abilities without potaras means little to nothing when it comes to balance. Without potaras, there’s a very clear top tier which includes very high power characters like SSJ4 Gogeta and LSSJ Broly.

LSSJ Broly stomps all over lower tier characters. Beefed up hyper armor makes him a nightmare. And in case someone actually lands a combo on him, he can easily explosive wave out of it. Not to mention his max power buffs his hyper armor even more. His attack power is massive. He can almost be considered broken in match ups against lower tier characters.

I think that covers it… But yeah, I’ll just recite my points in case they were missed:

-I’m cool with non custom tournaments because they save alot of time and effort. If the time and effort aren’t factors, then definitely go for the potaras. Nothing wrong with it.
-Spike did not create this game with the intention of people playing competitively with just defaults. The changes made since T2, the balance issues, and the lack of strategy that result from using defaults as opposed to potaras definitely show this.

Why in the fuck does this game have such rediculous tele escape timing? I mean in is there a certain number of ki that I need to teleport outa shyt?

Is there a vid. that focuses on defensive machanincs for this game, cause Cell is beating the shyt outa me…LOL!

tried this game last night seems pretty cool, and i downloaded a save game from gamefaqs, just to see all the characters

ARALE is in this game I am completely sold on this!!!:rock:

ARALE VS GOKU hell yesssss:rock:

Why are rules 2 v 2 or 3 v 3?

i beat cell haha

on normal difficulty though

i have the game like 60% unlocked as far as dragon history mode or whatever its called

i thought the fight with tao pai pai was amusing

can someone tell me how to deflect ki blasts? i haven’t figured that one out

u must hit left and right while holding the O button…

ok thanks, i just couldn’t figure it out, didn’t really read the instructions yet haha

How the hell do you do the combo where it looks like they charge a punch that knock you far away, then dash in and hit you with a punch that knock you further away, and just repeats for a few reps? I can only do 1 rep of that when I charge square and dash in right away after the punch hits.

OMGod!
i might just get it for both consoles…

but how long would it take for to get arale

Just popping in to say that the wii version of T2 supported classic controller,and i assume that T3 will as well.If you wanna play online and the controller is an issue,there you go.

The funny thing is I keeping hearing competitive defaults yet you aren’t allowing that to begin with. Mandatory picking of base forms isn’t default and neither is not allowing double fusion teams. That would basically be like saying you picked bison in a-groove so now you cant have sakura. I realize that isn’t an official rule yet but if your sorry worried about overpowered teams you might use well just use the dragon points mode.

that i need to find out too, cause this game has tons of characters:sweat:

I did delete that game save though, so i could start everything from the very beginning and learn how to play.

I did mess around with ARALE shes pretty cool:lovin:

read this -> http://anime.geocities.jp/dbzsmjpng/tech.html

you’re really crazy for limiting yourself and playing tenkaichi whitout potora’s, the game is so simple how the hell do you manage to keep a scene going WITHOUT the very thing that creates depth in the game :confused:

hopefully you took those things in because you dont see a tennis player hitting a soccer ball with his racket do you? :wtf:

i think your being extremely pretentious, if your gatherings last consistantly throughout next year without using any potora’s i would like to shake your hand.

okay how about we all shut the FUCK UP about who’s in favor of potaras and who isn’t in favor and actually take the fucking time to tier them out individually and see which ones suck and which ones don’t. if you tier them out and then actually make a tier list of the potaras themselves and their effects in high level play ( for instance i think cell has a particularly ridiculous setup that makes it so that he ALWAYS has an opportunity in a flowchart to get life back - more on that later ) then it becomes the EXACT SAME WAY BUDOKAI 3 WAS TIERED - one tier list for potaras, one without, simple as that. you wanna run a tournament either way, more power to you, but until people stop bitching and whining like children about this shit then shit is not going to get done.