Dr. Doom Combo Thread

[Mak0t0]

Okay I could use some help with Doom’s M&M combo, for some reason I can’t get the flying M to connect after I first do the fly cancel. Does anyone have any general tips for getting this to work?

[wmd221]

You can do it off either a 1 hit M or a 2 hit M it doesn’t matter, the main thing is you just need to be flight canceling the M as soon as whichever hit goes through, if it drops 90% of the time its because you aren’t activating fly fast enough

[FuLLBLeeD]

Of all the Doom bnbs there are, which would guys say is the BEST to learn if you’re just stating off with this character in terms off:

Mid-screen bnb one bar:
Corner loop, either one bar or ending with Level 3:

I’ve looked through these threads and found a ton of varying combos so I want to know which one I should really spend my time grinding. Right now, my bnb is just two Buktooth loop, then a H foot dive S foot dive, tri-jump, s.M, L Molecular Shield xxx Sphere Flame for 771,800k or something similar. I feel since I’m playing this character anchor, I should be learning the combos that do 900k+ off one bar.

[TenguEgg]

Well first off anyone with working eyes can see that there are only like 4 Doom loops and 2 of them do 700k-800k~ and the other 2 do 900k+, and all of them are nicely laid out here. If you’re just starting off with Doom, theres really no reason to do anything beyond the basic Buk/cl0ck loops.

Second, playing Doom on anchor is probably even less of a reason to learn 900k+ Loops, because 1: Doing fancy upper level execution combos with your anchor is probably not advised, dropping combos is whatever but if its on your last gambit then don’t risk it 2: You have X-Factor to finish off most characters and 3: You have excess meter ( give or take depending on your team comp ) to burn on probably 2 level 3s if you land 2 solid confirms.

[f1ip]

what are the best/easy starters for doom M&Ms off a TAC, up down and side, midscreen and corner?

[Kanta-Kun]

Second, playing Doom on anchor is probably even less of a reason to learn 900k+ Loops

I must disagree on that. Killing characters in one combo is essential for an anchor because you have a LOT of catching up to do, assuming you got steam rolled in the beginning. The more combos the op survives, the more opportunities he has to get out, hit you, and kill you with his 3 team members.

[TenguEgg]

I must disagree on that. Killing characters in one combo is essential for an anchor because you have a LOT of catching up to do, assuming you got steam rolled in the beginning. The more combos the op survives, the more opportunities he has to get out, hit you, and kill you with his 3 team members.

Theoretically, yes. Practically? No, not at all. You’re entitled to your opinion, but for reasons I stated in my previous post, those far outweigh anything you have listed. Doom with X-Factor and extra meter ( and you will have extra meter if you just got straight steamrolled ) is more than enough to make sure an entire team will die if you land the appropriate hits, without risking the chance of dropping those advanced combos.

[electric]

Theoretically, yes. Practically? No, not at all. You’re entitled to your opinion, but for reasons I stated in my previous post, those far outweigh anything you have listed. Doom with X-Factor and extra meter ( and you will have extra meter if you just got straight steamrolled ) is more than enough to make sure an entire team will die if you land the appropriate hits, without risking the chance of dropping those advanced combos.

I think what Kanta is saying is that it makes MORE sense to try kill as many characters as you can from stray hits without having to pop X-factor, so you can save it for as long as possible. If you pop that shit early, you may run out of X factor time by the time their anchor comes in, etc.

[TenguEgg]

Its obvious what hes saying, and it should be obvious what i’m saying. My point still stands.

[Kanta-Kun]

Yeah he has a point. we have all dropped our fair share of advanced combos to know what he means. But yes, theoretically speaking, as you put it, the ideal would be to have enough execution and presence of mind to pull off the advanced combos at the right time.

[fiddlestix]

Yeah he has a point. we have all dropped our fair share of advanced combos to know what he means. But yes, theoretically speaking, as you put it, the ideal would be to have enough execution and presence of mind to pull off the advanced combos at the right time.

I agree, there are times when you leave a guy with 50k health, and then he switches out. Now you are doom anchor with still 3 characters to kill, and opening up characters isn’t exactly easy for doom. The best option if you don’t go for hard combos is to always chip them out FIRST, so that when you do your combo, they will die.

[LouieBH]

midscreen to corner: buktooth to footdive loop (2 reps each)
corner: footdive loop (4 reps into OTG st.H + assist > Sphere Flame or assistless OTG Plasma Beam H xx APA)

you can keep your opponent in the corner off a back throw as well. iirc it’s just a modified rep of buktooth loop where the j.M crosses the opponent up. idk about that new loop, maybe it’s the butter gun (1 hit) > j.S I mentioned earlier.

Does anyone have a video of this?

[3nigmat1c]

Went ahead and made a video of the DHC relaunch from Mach Speed. I remember the initial argument being that most Joe players play him on point, but the technology is there.

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Medium Damage, only lvl1 X-factor when used.

Viewtiful Joe’s mach-speed can be used to launch your opponent and continue the combo in the air. This is often done while Joe is on point, but can also be done when DHCing into mach-speed from another hyper combo. To some teams, this may add an ability to do more damage without X-factor. This is extremely useful for characters with fly TAC combos e.g. Dr. Strange, Magneto, Sentinel, Dormammu, etc.

To do this, the following conditions must be met:

1. Perform a combo that doesn’t use any wall or ground bounces (in testing this seems to automatically add too much Hit Stun Deterioration to continue comboing until the TAC.
2. Minimal number of hits meaning that you have to maximize your damage in as few hits as possible.
3. Build 2 bars of meter before the initial Hyper Combo cancel. (this obviously means for most characters the combo will be negative, but given the ridiculous amount of meter that TAC combos build, a successful TAC may make the combo meter neutral/positive.

Combo Transcript:

1. Viewtiful Joe - Frank West
   j.s, cr.a, cr.c xx m.upper j.b xx m.rhk, air l.voomerang, (land) dash j.b, j.c xx m.rhk, adf, j.c xx m.rhk, h.rhk, (land) delayed mach-speed (launch), j.c, TAC down, j.b, j.c xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, S (land) snapshot xx Survival Tools DHC God Hand.

2)Frank West - Viewtiful Joe
fwd.throw, Blue Light Special DHC Mach-Speed, (launch), j.c, TAC up, j.b, j.c, j.s
[More hits/damage are possible after mach-speed, e.g. air joe]

3)Frank West - Viewtiful Joe
cr.a, st.b, st.c, cr.c, S, j.b xx l.tools, j.c (land), j.b, j.c, j.s, dash, snapshot xx Blue Light Special DHC Mach-speed, j.c, TAC right, j.b, j.b, j.c xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.s (land) wavedash, snapshot xx Survival Tools

4. Dr. Doom - Viewtiful Joe
   j.b(2), cr.a, cr.b, st.c(2), S, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+c, j.s, ADD, j.c (whiff), nj-h.plasma xx Photon Array DHC Mach Speed (launch), j.c, TAC up, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+h, ADF, j.b(2) xx fly, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), j.c (falling), j.b(2), j.b(1) xx h.plasma xx Photon Array

5. Dr. Doom - Viewtiful Joe
   j.b(2), cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, S, j.b(1), f+c, ADDF, j.b (land) XF, j.b(2), j.b(1) xx Photon Array DHC Mach Speed (launch), j.c TAC up, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+h, ADF, j.b(2) xx fly, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), j.c (falling), j.b(1) [Dropped combo, difficult/impossible in XF)

6. Frank West - Viewtiful Joe - Dr. Doom (Hidden Missiles)
   j.s, cr.a, st.b, c.b, st.c, XFC, cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, s+A2, j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s, (land) dash snapshot (missiles hit), snapshot xx Survival Tools DHC, Mach Speed, (launch) j.c xx TAC up, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.s (land) snapshot xx ST
   [This combo takes Frank from lvl1 to lvl3 guaranteed, lvl3 to lvl5 if you successfully hit the TAC. Also it only requires one meter, is also meter neutral if you down TAC. Up TAC may be required against most of the cast because of Joe’s limbs and Dorm’s huge hurtbox]

[ER_Adam_Pierce]

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at around 3:30, Clockw0rk does Mazi’s loop

[ThisGuileKillYa]

Could someone tell me or point me towards a relatively easy TAC-into-doom followup? Doesn’t have tobe fancy, just something I won’t likely drop that I can tack a hyper onto at the end if I want. I was doing tac, sjMM xx fly, sjMM adf MM adf MM etc, but would often miss the Ms after xx fly for some reason. Someone told me the timing for it is 1-frame-link-ish, which made anotherwise mega easy combo surprisingly difficult (online in partic). Any decent TAC sequences that aren’t quite so strict? Thanks!

[Captain_Planet]

I’d be highly surprised if the transition to M&M’s was a one frame link. For me, the timing is a bit peculiar for the M right after flight. The advice I’d give is that you have to hit the M later than you think you do. Remember, there’s no hit stun scaling at that point, so you also have a lot more hit stun from the M than you think you do as well.

M&M’s are actually one of the better options to go straight into. The damage is still absurdly high, since you’re going x8 (8 * 9000 damage) + Laser (which is…5* 5000 damage, I believe). That’s still an extra ~100 000 damage, at full scaling. Then tack on the few hits before flight, and maybe one or two extra hits after flight if you want to add a tiny bit of flair. You’ll still get at least 300-350K damage with an added super, with small effort.

[ThisGuileKillYa]

I’d be highly surprised if the transition to M&M’s was a one frame link. For me, the timing is a bit peculiar for the M right after flight. The advice I’d give is that you have to hit the M later than you think you do. Remember, there’s no hit stun scaling at that point, so you also have a lot more hit stun from the M than you think you do as well.

M&M’s are actually one of the better options to go straight into. The damage is still absurdly high, since you’re going x8 (8 * 9000 damage) + Laser (which is…5* 5000 damage, I believe). That’s still an extra ~100 000 damage, at full scaling. Then tack on the few hits before flight, and maybe one or two extra hits after flight if you want to add a tiny bit of flair. You’ll still get at least 300-350K damage with an added super, with small effort.

Thanks! I checked with the dude who told me about the link. As I suspected, I was wrong about the 1-2 frame part, just that it is, in fact, a link (and somewht tight, at least for marvel). Though for M+Ms he said something about canceling the first hit of M, and I thought we wanted both hits to hit. Is that true, or does it even matter? When I do M+Ms it doesn’t seem possible to do a foot dive S, land, and otg. But ill try it a bit before making a declaritive statement.

All I know is when I go for tac, MM xx fly MM, I drop it more often than I don’t. The rest, though, when that doesn’t drop, is extremely easy.

[LILSLUGGER]

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[Gomez]

at around 3:30, Clockw0rk does Mazi’s loop

I finally learned that combo but I can’t do it online. Its a hell of a lot easier when x-factor is activated for me.

[Clockw0rk]

Yo! Hate to be that guy, but can anyone point me to any videos or transcripts or anything of a midscreen TAC with Doom that ends in Sphere Flame? Would be much appreciated m(_ _)m

Also, I’m curious as to what kind of damage people are getting nowadays midscreen off a clean c.L M H S opening with 1 meter, no assist. Right now I can get 856,600 but I’m sure some of the crazy stuff people are doing now does more. But by how much @_@?

thx in advance

Clock