gross PA roll the dice lol. Bane will be nice to have back though and TA is a sick champion.
Recently got my beta invite. Looking to get a good team together sometime, so I can learn without worrying about MOBA noobs. I play Doombringer/SkeletonKing a lot usually. Steam name: u-volt
No sand in my pussy at all, just a stupidity vibrator and I don’t want to keep on orgasming.
What do you think people were to write if you went to the Saikyo boards and posted “Guise I found this SF4 pro tactic, pick Ken and press lots of Directions and HPHPHP for flamey SHORRRYYYUUUKEN and this is totally awesome, of course advanced players will adjust but you can beat baddies with it!”? You’re suggesting a Seeker/Silencer lane which is about at that level.
You have no clue about this game (that’s no problem) and are “teaching” people wrong stuff (this is one heck of a problem). Being bad is perfectly okay, come in here writing “Yo I found this tactic X, it worked well, what do you guys think about it?” and I’ll gladly explain why this tactic is bad and give you pointers towards a better one; but you aren’t asking questions and instead stating “facts” which happen to be crap.
Yeah, of course you can beat baddies with a Seeker/Silencer lane - you can beat baddies with anything. I can go 1v3 on hard lane as Slardar and rock the game, that doesn’t make it good and that definitely doesn’t make it something I’d advise other people to do.
Silencer is not an AM counter. Great, you can apply a 3-4-5s silence every 160 seconds after lvl6-11-16 and you don’t even need to be part of the ganking squad (what is Silencer doing in this scenario then? Farming?). Now let’s see… Lion can “silence” (actually it’s a million times better than a silence) AM for 5.5 seconds after lvl9, at lvl6 it’s already 3.5s, and he can actually help to gank AM prior to lvl6 (read: at any point he can “silence” AM for way longer than Silencer does) plus he actually deals damage which is a dang assload more important than having a raw disable. Oh and he can do this every 13 seconds which is a bit more often. And not even Lion really classifies as an “AM counter”.
Yes, one can use Silencers Ult to assist a gank (particularly the lvl1 Ult, since there aren’t many teamfights going on around there), and yes, it’s neat. But this doesn’t make Silencer an AM counter. Silencer is a counter initiator that hardfucks spellspammers like Tinker with his Last Word passive. AM is an autoattacking carry, and while he doesn’t particularly like being silenced, this costs him one blink per fight so he doesn’t really give a flying fuck either.
Best part being where I kindly point you towards the direction that you just talked bullshit and you pack out some random flames “I don’t know how anyone couldn’t know this”. Classy.
yo damn
So is there a guide for someone new to dota 2?
http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck + http://www.playdota.com/guides/masterjas-total-newbie-guide .
In general, that Guide section is passable (just sort by Rating/Descending and look through the Top Misc Guides which don’t go over your head)
A lot of the higher rated guides (8+ rating) are pretty much good reads. They will give you a good idea how to play the hero you’re looking at, but remember that nothing can replace experience. Don’t expect to be godlike at DotA or a hero just because you read a guide.
thanks
yeah i know but i at least want to get an understanding of the game.
You clearly don’t know enough about this game to be telling anyone what’s “good” or “bad” so please refrain from implying that you do, because anyone who knows anything about dota can tell you’re just talking out of your ass. Why should anyone look to you for explanations for why a tactic works? What pro dota tourneys have you won? Have you even played with anyone here who can vouch that you’re not a complete scrub? You’ve added nothing to this thread but pointless flaming and flamebaiting, go troll elsewhere, I’m done with you.
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Dunning-Kruger at its best. Stay free.
^ :lol: Really couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Try to refute any of my points. Upon noticing that you can’t, you will have to accept that you’re talking crap.
Given the way you’ve been talking until now, I already know that you won’t even get to the “try” part and instead just ignore this (or flame).
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Ok, I’ll make an attempt to explain to you that you’re a troll. First off, let me point out in your over-eagerness to prove how “pro” you are by being condescending (Being a condescending asshole is what got you “flamed” in the first place) and pointing out how “bad” someone else is, you made up a point to argue against that was never made. Nowhere did I say “Silencer is a COUNTER to Anti-mage.” All I ever said was Silencer can make GANKING an AM more successful, because AM in current DotA 2 is very difficult to gank. So right off the bat, you start off with a strawman, classic trolling.
Secondly, If I’m to take your post seriously, Silencer doesn’t JUST silence AM. He also silences his lane babysitter, dazzle or vengeful or w/e ranged stun/healer. Or if he’s soloing the easy lane it also shuts down his jungler buddy from coming to his aid. Good luck doing that with Lion. If you split Lion’s cc between the two of them the cc usually doesn’t last long enough early on. 1 well-timed intervention stun/heal is often the only difference between a successfully 3-man ganked AM and one that got away. Early/mid game, AM is quite squishy, the few seconds from a silencer ult is all you need to take him out if you’re organized, even with just a 2-man regular lane gib with no one leaving their respective lanes.
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Try to look up the definiton of “troll”.
?? Never did I say I’m “Pro”. I’m a scrub. It’s just, you are even worse.
Actually, I posed a question and then stated “You’re going to waste the strongest teamfight Ult to gank a single person? … Might as well say Enigma is an AM counter, because he can Black Hole ~.~” This is being a condescending asshole? Because right after you started with the I don’t know how anyone does not know this" (not that I particularly care, but it’s just a simple fact that you started with the insults).
You said Silencer makes AM cry. That pretty much means he’s a counter.
Stating nothing but “Silencer makes ganking AM easier” can mean two things
- “…than simply not having silencer”. I guess, um, yeah! A 3man gank is more succesful than a 2man gank, makes sense. This is the case for all heroes though.
- “…than having other heroes”. This is flatout wrong. There’s like 30 heroes who are better suited for shutting AM down than Silencer.
You should REALLY look up the definition of trolling.
First, you’re suggesting VS as a babysit, then, you suggest a solo lane AM as both realistic scenarios. Okay, I’ll pass that.
Now please tell me the amount of heals/otherwise defensive abilities in the game that outweigh 700 magic damage (Lion Stun+Ult).
I count up to: 1 (Shallow Grave). Also, you’re telling me that the 2 second Hex “usually doesn’t last long enough” while the 3 second Silence “is all you need”?
Other note, riddle me this: What keeps the guy with the highest base Movespeed (bar Nessaj and Luna, but neither is in Dota2) from just walking away? He doesn’t even fucking need a blink if you aren’t like, stunning/massively slowing him. Stunning would mean you’re like, stacking disables, and even if you’re slowing him, a 1.5s Stun usually amounts to more damage (if alone because you can actually stack unavoidable AoE shit on them) than a 3s slow.
I never denied that Silencer is neat to have and that he helps killing AM. It’s a particularly sweet tool because Wards don’t help against him (since he can do it from fullscreen distance), adding a feeling of false safety. But stating he makes AM cry is just flatout wrong. There’s an assload of heroes (above I said 30, maybe it’s just 20, either way it’s a lot) that are better at shutting down AM, and most of these definitely don’t make AM cry.
If something makes AM cry, it’s a non-manadependant (so AMs Mana Break doesn’t hurt as much) and low mana (so AMs Ult doesn’t instawreck him) hard harasser (so AM actually gets hurt when he is reasonably controllable, during laning phase) that doubles as a pusher (so AM doesn’t have a lot of time to farm). Venomancer I could pass as an “AM counter”.
Generally though, AM doesn’t get countered by heroes but by strategies, which is the sole reason for him wrecking pubs as much as he does - there’s no strategy in pubs, so he wins. If making AM “cry” was as easy as picking Silencer, he would not pose a threat.
Im playing DOTA… lol
need an Invite (how would some1 go about gettin one btw?)
You replied that it’s a “waste” to use silencer’s ult to kill AM. It’s clearly not, pros use teamfight ults (Yes, including enigma’s) JUST to kill the enemy carry early/mid game. It happens quite frequently, and it’s NOT a waste just because you couldn’t get 4-5 kills out of it. Heck I’ve seen Merlini in dota 1 blow a Silencer ult just to SAVE his carry from death. If it’s worth using it to save a carry, it’s worth using it to kill a carry.
All you have is me saying Silencer could make AM cry. That’s a far cry from me saying Silencer is AM’s hard counter. “That pretty much means he’s a counter” in YOUR head doesn’t cut it. The only true counters to AM in DotA are Slithice, Meepo, and Obsidian. So again, you’re strawmanning.
You don’t need to outweigh 700 magic damage, you just need to help AM survive it. 1 dazzle heal or omni heal or repel will do it just fine. Or a stun to prevent Lion from getting his combo off. Silencer would prevent such intervention. And he can do so from a different lane altogether. He doesn’t have to travel to assist in the gank.
There’s a huge number of 2-man lane combinations that can kill AM easily if you can prevent BOTH his blink and any assist from his babysitter for 3 full seconds. There is ONE hero that can guarantee those 3 seconds without being in lane.
ORLY? A non-manadependant, low mana, hard harassing, pusher? That’s all you need? So there’s 30-20 of those on the current dota 2 roster? Name 20 of them right now or you’re talking out of your ass. List 20 heroes that fit all 4 those criteria and are better at shutting down AM + babysitter than a Silencer ult. Do you even read the stuff you type? There’s maybe ONE hero that fits that all those criteria, and you just named him. (MAYBE Brood depending on how you play him, and Huskar’s not a pusher) And you also listed the best thing about Silencer; that you can’t anticipate the ganks he can assist in. Wards will let you know when a Lion, Tiny or Pudge (oh my) is nearby. And again, that requires 3 heroes. With Silencer ulting from wherever he is you can just take a number of 2-hero regular lane combinations to kill an early squishy AM without help.
There are not 20 heroes better than Silencer in assisting early game AM ganks. (which was what I was talking about, not “shutting him down”.) 3 very simple reasons:
A: Silencer can press R from his own lane.
B: Silencer’s ult cannot be anticipated or counterwarded.
C: Silencer’s ult guarantees AM’s babysitter is useless.
Element of surprise is what successful ganking is all about. But believe whatever you want to believe.
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double posting for fear or losing in debate
ps… they all suck
bow down to your Neurbian Overloard xD
E: I’ll make this easier. If you agree with the following, we can save us the quotewar.
- Silencers Ult is pretty neat and particularly the lvl6 version is useful to gank. The usefulness here doesn’t really stem from silencing AM (since one has to shut him down one way or another anyhow to avoid him just running away) but from silencing his babysit plus being mapwide so AM got a false sense of security
- Silencer doesn’t hold a candle when compared to any laning monster (eg Venom) / actually damaging hero (eg Tiny) / hardpusher (eg Enigma) when it’s about actually “shutting down” AM
- You aren’t going to say “Oh, the opponents picked AM, let’s go and pick Silencer to counterpick!” (or to make him cry, or whatever).
- This is just here because I wanted 5 points
- Stryg/Silencer is a piece of shit lane that is fun to play because it’s shit and scrubs lose against it anyhow, but it’s nothing you’re going to use against anyone with a brain and one shouldn’t recommend it
Of course you’re going to use it if the situation arises. But you aren’t going to waste that Ult by saving it for ganks. I’ll give you that I worded that poorly.
Point stands, the amount of times where you have your Ult ready and your Team is about to kill AM and it needs your Ult is rather… small.
Did you just not read the last 3 lines of that quote, particularly my point 2), or did you choose to ignore it? Man, I’m even taking that talking-out-of-your-ass-semantics-shit “X making Y cry doesn’t mean X is a Y counter” (what the fuck does it mean then?) preemptively away and you STILL come with it.
Oh right, Repel. My bad (honestly, how often are Omni and AM running around together?). And no, a dazzle heal won’t cut it.
There is either: 1) No dazzle heal [Silencer Ulted] 2) Dazzle heal, but 700 damage [Lion Stun+Ulted].
Dazzle heal doesn’t heal more than 700 life, so the 2nd case is an assload better.
Man, your reflexes gotta be outta this world.
Okay, please post the huge amount of 2-man lane combinations that can kill AM easily if you prevent both his Blink and any assist from his babysitter for 3 full seconds, while 700 damage and a 1.5s Stun on AM won’t be enough.
Do YOU even read the stuff I type? Wait, let me just quote some things to make it easier for you (it wasn’t really difficult though)
"There’s an assload of heroes ([…] 20 […]) that are better at shutting down AM, and most of these definitely don’t make AM cry."
Okay where exactly do I state that there are 20 people fitting my Venomancer description? I’m stating that
- There are 20 heroes which are better at shutting down AM than Silencer
- Most of these 20 heroes still don’t count as an “AM counter”
- [Later] Venomancer would fit the bill of an “AM counter”
What the crap? If Silencer Ults to assist a gank, he assisted the gank. You can’t just randomly sprout “Any 2-hero lane combination can kill an AM without help if it just gets help by a Silencer Ult”. That doesn’t even make sense.
Actually, you wrote that Silencer makes him cry. I guess you have to explain me what “makes him cry” means (since apparently it neither means that it’s a counter, nor that it’s shutting him down, nor anything else)
And yes, there are 20 heroes better than Silencer in “making AM cry”. Heck, actually Enigma is better at it (and that was a joke mention). Enigma is even better at early/midgame ganks than Silencer is if he got a quick Blink.
That you can press Ult at any time makes it pretty neat but that’s it. Silencer doesn’t really have anything better to do than run around on the map anyways.
:rolleyes: if you don’t get it by now, you’re never gonna get it, so I’m not gonna waste any more time. Circular arguments retreading the same points over and over are fruitless endeavors. I’ve stated my points, you’ve stated yours, ggpo.
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yoooo what ?! well i made my steam account when CS first switched to steam when it was released… this is my profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/travko/
I wish sound would stay activated in window-mode when you tab out…so I could spec matches on my 2nd monitor since I never have time to actually sit down and play a full game. If anyone has suggestions on an alternative method let me know