Man… Fuck ryu.
He does so much damage now lol.
Ryu beats Sagat now slightly IMO.
Just think about it, Ryu for the most part has not changed(frame wise) at all since Vanilla and all the Tech that was learned against Sagat then still applies today. The same safe jumps, the same walk down, the same jabs that beats sagat’s options. No st.lk for Sagat let’s him get walked down too easy against skilled shoto’s . Just my two cents.
Na not buying it, not with his average walk speed and average mix ups. His biggest 2 buffs involve jumping in and Sagat does not need to jump in this match at all. Classic battle , still even for me.
ryu apparently got faster/slower fireballs +10 more damage on them. the fuck capcom?
If anyone is going to give gat a little trouble in a FB war now it’ll be Gouken IMO. That Denjin speed is already looking slightly OP.
I’ve been thinking about the Akuma buff aswell, as much as the throw and HK nerfs will help, the EX fireball from EX flip might cause us more trouble in the long run (like that match needed to get worse!). Has anyone see the property’s of it? For 2 bars he can pretty much close in on you from full screen safely if it works how I think it works.
Not sure, anyone played Akuma yet? I’m not sure how the distance control works. I’m thinking of the scenario where you bait a EX DK and Upper cut or jump Fierce, that might not even work now.
I still think ryu sagat is even.
Just don’t press buttons stupidly and you should be fine. Don’t be afraid to jump back or do my favorite move. Stand there don’t do shit. Niggas be like OMFG plz throw a shot so I can jump at you. Don’t do it my niggas. Make em sweat.
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2011-12-17 SSF4 AE Ver.2012 TOPANGA-TV Machabo(Feilong) VS Bonchan(Sagat) Mago(Sagat)
man, fei long is still very solid, regardless of the nerfs.
hes not as bad as before, but man, still strong.
pho real though, mago is training hard…
Mago is the best sagat pho sho… Well, as of right now i think.
bonchan .
Bonchan> Mago for sure. Thats my opinon but mago sagat is still sick.
Bonchan better up close, Mago better zoning.
I’d say Mago will end up being better, but Bonchan still takes it for me.
I keep seeing this posted but still don’t get it…How do you learn Ibuki’s vortex without actually playing the character. I think it’s rather annoying as well that I have to learn some specific rules just to defend against her (along with Viper/Seth etc…) but that’s besides the point. Viper is generally considered a hard match where you have to stay on your toes, but Ibuki seems to have some “answer” to her mix-up that I’m not quite sure what it is…
Help in this area would be greatly appreciated. I main Ken, but trying to get an equal skill level across all 3 of my favorite characters Ryu/Ken/Sagat so this would really help my game to not be terrified of getting knockdown by Ibuki. Viper is harder, but at least I can SEE what I did wrong in that match-up or as Ken/Ryu need to work on my low forward timing to go under burn kicks. Ibuki is just annoying, even more annoying the guessing with Seth.
Watch videos and see how other players deal with the mixups and try out different tactics until you find what works for you.
You don’t have to play ibuki to learn, you just need to know what to look for. Start with this. http://www.airryu.com/?cat=4
Ibuki is a really slow character, and her jump is floaty. I find if you conentrate on throwing mostly low TS, she can only EX slide through at which point you bait and punish hard. Her wake up is garbage, so you can pressure her if she has no meter and also punish her back dash with cr.fierce.
Remember if she’s far away, it’s more than likely not going to cross up, just watch where she is in the air and leave it late. I’m a little different from air, I like to wake up blocking correctly, then change it at the last minute if I see her above my head.
It’s not easy, but if you can escape just that one knockdown, she’s back to trying hard to get in again.
Also forgot to mention, in some particular set ups, if you do a light Tiger uppercut, the Kunai will hit and knock you down, but that’s it, you’ll only take the kunai damage. Your back on your ass but it’s another chance to escape if she gets it wrong next time.
This will only work from the front set ups though (which are usually the easy ones to block) if she crosses you up late , you’ll probably whiff the DP.
I really think this match is 5-5, she has difficulty get in, you have difficulty getting out. That’s pretty much how it goes.
I still don’t see how sagat beats rose…she can’t be zoned that well, up close she just dominates with amazing pokes and a great slide. so what if she can be pressured on wakeup, rose players are so slippery and pretty hard to knockdown with sagat.
You my friend are insane.
I will pray for you.
i can’t see why some people call the viper matchup even… I find it she has a slight advantage, i mean the sheer amount of concentration you need to have during the whole match to not get tagged by some random ex seismo into ultra or burnkick shanenigans.
I can’t imagine it being even unless you can score enough knockdowns on her. Let’s say youd go against a smart and lamme viper like wolfkrone, what would you do? He’d just get in the sweet spot and wait for you to do anything or get some safe pressure going while your heavy ass can’t reach her…
Japan says this match up is 5 - 5
even the best USA sagat thinks this is 5 - 5
this match up is not hard at all,
you just need to learn the damn match up, instead of making excuses
random F-Hk can lead to ultra, so can a random tiger uppercut with 2 bar can lead to ultra, and like i said sagat can force viper to come in, simple as that, if your tiger shot game losing to her siesmo game, forcing you to come after her, then you should just drop sagat, and use a different character
im not calling it a bad matchup, im saying it’s pretty exhausting to fight it and saying that she might have a bit of advantage due to her huge stun output and she can deal with zoning more or less.
I will understand if ur rage induced tiny brain cannot comprehend this but some even matchups are harder then others. I would take the ryu matchup much more enjoyable then viper.
And son, if capcom over these years couldnt make me drop sagat with their nerf ethic bullshit…
Then who the fuck are you to tell me to do so?