The undying hatred of Makoto’s j.HK.
People will probably want to go run out first and document the other one with harder timing instead.
Double Supers, No parry possible, Final Destination.
Rainbow of Death vs Pixel Wall cooler than Shoryu manly faceoff?!
See someone snuck a post in there, then it tells me later there’s a new message alert. 12 has his own goodtimes with Jump HK mixups, hit front, back? Your choice really! Won’t get it off much on Makoto anyway then as she takes care of the skies.
Makoto is one of the last characters I’d recommend to anyone starting out with 3s. She is almost entirely offense oriented. She also has very awkward movement. I know many players who have been playing 3s for years who find playing Makoto very awkward. I know she was brought up as more a representation of 3s than a conduit to learn 3s, but just wanted to throw that out there. If I were to make a list of “Advanced” level characters, Makoto would be on that list.
i get you
Yeah of course
Ken - HP shoryu fails to hit a bunch, in game practice. Can point out some more!
You didn’t give me an alternative to where a Ryu Shoryuken wouldn’t hit, Normal to Special. No, I’m not saying Ryu has a Ken Target combo and he could hit in the same place a Ken would with the, yeah no need to even try to explain that one
Yes there’s going to be places a Ryu Shoryuken wouldn’t hit. Start pointing me out at least one though. 
Part of this back and forth goofy, wholly unnecessary debate of Ryu and Ken again.
Ok. Far cr MK to SRK fails for both.
Close Range stuff with Ken such as MP HP, Flame SRK can fail when it feels like it really should not. I guess SF4 corrected a lot of those, and Ken never needs it with very viable LP, MP ones that situation. It was part of you playing up that Flamey one, and us Ryu’s pointing out a flaw in it. Its fluff, those flames! Adding that, “more Range than Ryu’s” what good is all that now when it won’t even hit like Ryu’s can!
i think he means that if one of them hits any of them will hit.
at least thats how i understood it.
ryu has pretty specific punishes depending on range, character and crouching/standing. people might not realize until they go and try it all.
Ken wishes he had buff knee close MK and Master Class 4 frame close Fierce.
Ryu could use a few of Ken’s stuff, but he’ll never tell you that.
Would like to know more Ryu specific punishes.
Post Denjin Stun, jump in HP, cl /cr HP -> Shoryu won’t work. Fat hurricane kick, just as good though.
When coming from Makoto it took me a little while to get the whole walking towards/from my opponent down.
I understood your point don’t get me wrong, but saying " none of ryu’s dragons fail to combo" is an inaccurate statement because they do miss at certain points. ( ryu’s fp definitely combos better, none of that one hit and they can punish shit)
Edit: I’m kinda on the boat with using different characters teaches you different aspects of 3s. Ken just has a lot of options I don’t even know who i would pick for a “best”
Right. Goodstuff. Healthy debate growing from this, sorry all the weird references just going nowhere.
Yeah, give me the positives on that. As I’m thinking Ryu stuff right now more, without direct connection to Ken stuff. Considering flying after an in air opponent with the extra range of HP SRK isn’t too wise. EX version has the popout if too close(grounded even point blank) and is faster startup, you could even miss someone up in the air without thinking of the EX timing compared to his others. And why fly after them at max ranges for Shoryuken to hit, why not take care of them with awesome LP SRK on their approach? (Kara SRK double up, huge damage, knockdown, make them think twice jumping at you or being in the air at all)
Extra range (HP, EX) doesn’t help much on the ground is what I’m thinking.
The extra hits Ken has on all Shoryukens beyond shared 1 hit jab are something Ryu definitely could use as anti air, when he gets 1 parried and destroyed, heartbreaking.
We’re not in the Oro forum. Why do you want a long on fire penis?
Why would his wife want that? Why did you think of that as a positive vs what Ryu has or doesn’t have?!
No that’s what i mean’t from the original post, but you missed it. I’m pretty sure ryu has a characters specific combo vs. stunned Makoto where he can do a jump in normal cl st. mk linked into cr. mp into tatsu. ( since dp won’t hit)
Beating up Makoto with links the way she runs all over Ryu with. Alright.
Yeah, I guess I didn’t have to retread all of that Ken is good, and all Shoryu’s he has, I also said Ryu doesn’t hit all his SRK every situation either, already conceded that.
You got to know how Ryu thinks, man.
3s forum talk about what their dick is, round 3. :wasted:
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WTF HAX posts are legendary. I ain’t got a clue what he’s saying but I can feel his zeal and drive!!
Having said that - do something with your life… Its like every other post in the 3s (mainly online) forum is his, or one of the other two guys who are always posting here. I mean this in the nicest possible way (Akuma players should be winners at life)
Tebbo - I know that thing about Shoryu Cannon BECAUSE of the kind of video you’re hoping to see - I saw a video like that (probably on SRK no less) displaying how OP shoryu cannon is.
And for the bazillionth time - Akuma can get hit out of KKZ, BUT NOT BEFORE THE FIRST SMASH COMES OUT!!!
I remember seeing the same video Naz is talking about as well. Shoryu Cannon did hit Ryu extremely late, but it hit Ryu somewhere before coming down.
You can test it out for yourself if you’d like, Tebbo. Do Shoryu Cannon and Shinshoryuken at the exact same time. Whether or not Shinsho comes after Shoryu Cannon or vice versa during the freezes, Shoryu Cannon will always win.
Shoryu Cannon has so much invulnerability to it that only Seraphic Wing and I guess KKZ can beat it out.
whatever man.
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I knew it. （*`∀´）uehuehuehue
ShoryuCannon does win over ShinSho cause he got one more inv. frame. (9 vs 8)
ya but where are they positioned during all that.
they both jump around n shitttttttttttttwhatever man shin sho still #1.