Does anyone still play STREET FIGHTER 2 anymore?

[Mechanica]

Oooh, OUCH! What do you mean by “SCRUB FRIENDLY”? David Sirlin’s WHOLE PHILOSOPHY was to:

1. make HDR more “assessable” to new players

You just answered your own question.

2. To make the game more “Tournament balanced”. Let’s face it, we see a lot of these characters in the finals:

-“OLD” Sagat
-Boxer
-Stretchy
-ST Vega

I don’t really agree on the Dhalsim. We didn’t see “a lot” of them, we typically saw one solid Dhalsim player that would usually make it to the finals. Not everyone playing Dhalsim and making it far. Honestly, players like Gian would probably beast with anyone. They just have the beast factor.

3. Add fun as long as it DID NOT interfere with number 2.

Among others I am sure but these characters (mentioned above) saw a lot of play time in tournaments (in USA) more than say, I’ll take all the characters you mentioned above "Honda, Gief, Blanka, Hawk.

These characters NEEDED these changes which they got

They needed changes, but not the ones they got. Well, I don’t really think Honda needed any of the changes except his neutral j.hp, but I know how terrible his shoto matchups were (and he has matches that disgusting that are in his favor, so…). T.Hawk’s new dive is stupid. So is his whiff animation. Also, the fact you can’t piano his 360 is stupid as well, though unintentional. I think they maybe buffed his normals to something closer to the O.Hawk normals which was good. Hawk had a lot of potential, but I think his new dive is stupid… I’m sorry but dive is a very easily punished move, and if you actually land it, why would you NOT want to knock them down? Hawk is all about safe jump jab shenanigans. I wouldn’t be surprised if sirloin thought that was abusable and easy so he wanted to completely change the way Hawk plays. :looney:

And Blanka’s changes? Don’t get me started on Blanka’s changes. Okay so his gimmicky ass RAINBOW ROLL/11! is no longer completely useless (though still completely gimmicky against a good player). But now you take nasty counter damage during horizontal ball, and electricity is so easy to do that doing combos like s.mp, f.mp can result in electricity and you dying. See, I thought the idea of ‘rebalancing’ was to help with their hopeless matchups. Like for Blanka, there’s Boxer. So now if you use a horizontal ball, whether it’s hit or blocked, Boxer can do even more damage to you on the recovery? (I believe the counter damage still counts as he’s recovering? maybe I’m wrong)

And to further answer your question about “scrub friendly” David Sirlin TOOK OUT A LOT OF ABUSEUBLE THINGS. Remember the time when you where Claw and the other person was Stretchy (Sim) and Stretchy would end the game by doing repeated “noogie” traps? That’s a sticky situation. Or how about the Boxer loop hole of repeated low forward to grab headbutt?

What about Ken’s knee bash throw loop, or Honda’s knee bash throw loop? Where’s the nerf on those? Equally ‘abusable’ (though scrubs aren’t going to abuse a very good throw loop, except maybe online).

Bait it, my friend. As most people who know this game know that baiting a move will set you up to counter, say, the Jab headbutt. I personally don’t know why poeple complain about this as this is NOT very hard to counter.

Dude. Like Axel said, why are you talking to us like we’ve never played the game. No offense but we’re probably even more aware than you are that jab headbutt is counterable. It doesn’t make it any less stupid. And your solutions are pretty dumb - A) throwing more fireballs is just going to be predictable so he can block one, headbutt the other, block the next, headbutt the other, and he’s already half way to you. B) No Honda player is going to jab headbutt through a fireball that is close enough to dragon punch you. That’s just stupid. They’ll jump if they really think you’re gonna fireball at that range. Jab headbutt is not as easily countered as people think it is because they only play scrubs who are like WOW LOL IT NEGATES FIREBALLZ LETS USE IT ON EVERY FIREBALL!1! If you play an actually decent, patient Honda who fights against fireballs like you should (walk and block, don’t just evade every fireball predictably) then it’s an issue. Because as soon as you fear the fact that he may jab headbutt, YOU STOP THROWING FIREBALLS for a moment. Every moment you’re not throwing fireballs is a moment Honda gets closer. Honda is a character who absolutely rapes you when he gets in close. Like Axel said, that was a problem for him with elegant solutions and now he just has a free way to gain a character’s width distance. It’s not that it’s broken and unbeatable, it’s just a stupid change. P.S. Dude posting JAB HEADBATT JAB HADBATT DAVAD SORLOIN was a joke post. Satire, son.

I am sorry to hear that the game is not available to you guys.

[jacob2umf]

thank you elias. we could go into how chun li changed and deejays uppercut eats fireballs too. the list continues forever with this franken fighter hd remix

[FrAnkDAdAnk]

everyone needs to calm down in here.

[Mechanica]

I’m just sharing my opinion, don’t mean to sound not calm. The CAPS were just to combat the way he put words in CAPS. CAPS LOCK SON.

[Deezo]

I still don’t understand how a game that’s had consistent tournament play since God knows when, suddenly needs gameplay/balance changes. I like to think there’s a number of reasons why this game isn’t played.

1-It’s not ST.
2-SFIV (probably the biggest one).
3-People don’t actually like the changes made.
4-Akuma
list goes on

I think this game truly suffers from bad timing. Moreso than everything else that I really dislike about this game. Remix came out when? November 08? It was supposed to come out much sooner but we’re all aware of why it didn’t happen and that sucks. However, it came out during arcade SFIV. It sold well (which was a good sign for SF), but did anyone really expect the hype to continue? In the face of SFIV (a game no one thought they’d ever see), a new iteration of SFII (which came what? 14 years later?) would need something massive in order to stay relevant. Nothing monumental was added. The average person doesn’t know who’s subject to crossup neckbreaker. The average person didn’t know about throw loops. They just see a prettier (subject to debate), Super Street Fighter II.

SeoulGuySRK where were you a year ago or so? You would’ve been in Heaven. Too little too late though =/. People were playing ST like crazy here. Three different ranbat seasons and all that.

[fatbear]

I <3 arcade ST

[RayBladeX]

I still don’t understand how a game that’s had consistent tournament play since God knows when, suddenly needs gameplay/balance changes. I like to think there’s a number of reasons why this game isn’t played.

1-It’s not ST.
2-SFIV (probably the biggest one).
3-People don’t actually like the changes made.
4-Akuma
list goes on

I think this game truly suffers from bad timing. Moreso than everything else that I really dislike about this game. Remix came out when? November 08? It was supposed to come out much sooner but we’re all aware of why it didn’t happen and that sucks. However, it came out during arcade SFIV. It sold well (which was a good sign for SF), but did anyone really expect the hype to continue? In the face of SFIV (a game no one thought they’d ever see), a new iteration of SFII (which came what? 14 years later?) would need something massive in order to stay relevant. Nothing monumental was added. The average person doesn’t know who’s subject to crossup neckbreaker. The average person didn’t know about throw loops. They just see a prettier (subject to debate), Super Street Fighter II.

SeoulGuySRK where were you a year ago or so? You would’ve been in Heaven. Too little too late though =/. People were playing ST like crazy here. Three different ranbat seasons and all that.

A certain game (I think it’s called Street Fighter 4?) brought out many players from retirement or into the scene.

I predict a new guy will come in and say “Does anyone still play Street Fighter 3: Third Strike?”

We need a NW Faq thread about players, gatherings and tournament info so there’d be less clutter. I might start one for Portland/Oregon area players.

[Shadowless]

I like HDR, even though the character(s) I use got nerfed.

I agree that Akuma is stupid (but now he’s officially banned, so okay), and I take issue with some of the changes made (mostly Chun, because I am butt-hurt), as well as some of the changes that weren’t made (why keep un-tech-able throws? Why keep it so that chun can’t safely throw into the corner? etc.).

I still think it’s pretty neat, and I appreciate most of the changes made, on the whole. I enjoy playing new Gief and Hawk sometimes, I like not randomly failing to get my SRKs, I think it’s cool that I can play Guile and actually use his super, etc., etc.

Disclaimer: I am a Honda hater in a big way. I don’t really agree that he should have anything good, because I think he makes the game totally shitty. I’d be cool with it if they just took him the fuck out of the game, period.

Anyway, I do hope there is another patch some day that fixes remaining bugs, nerfs akuma, and possible adds another final round of minor balance changes. But I think I’d rather play HD, either way.

[System_1]

You just answered your own question.

I don’t really agree on the Dhalsim. We didn’t see “a lot” of them, we typically saw one solid Dhalsim player that would usually make it to the finals. Not everyone playing Dhalsim and making it far. Honestly, players like Gian would probably beast with anyone. They just have the beast factor.

They needed changes, but not the ones they got. Well, I don’t really think Honda needed any of the changes except his neutral j.hp, but I know how terrible his shoto matchups were (and he has matches that disgusting that are in his favor, so…). T.Hawk’s new dive is stupid. So is his whiff animation. Also, the fact you can’t piano his 360 is stupid as well, though unintentional. I think they maybe buffed his normals to something closer to the O.Hawk normals which was good. Hawk had a lot of potential, but I think his new dive is stupid… I’m sorry but dive is a very easily punished move, and if you actually land it, why would you NOT want to knock them down? Hawk is all about safe jump jab shenanigans. I wouldn’t be surprised if sirloin thought that was abusable and easy so he wanted to completely change the way Hawk plays. :looney:

And Blanka’s changes? Don’t get me started on Blanka’s changes. Okay so his gimmicky ass RAINBOW ROLL/11! is no longer completely useless (though still completely gimmicky against a good player). But now you take nasty counter damage during horizontal ball, and electricity is so easy to do that doing combos like s.mp, f.mp can result in electricity and you dying. See, I thought the idea of ‘rebalancing’ was to help with their hopeless matchups. Like for Blanka, there’s Boxer. So now if you use a horizontal ball, whether it’s hit or blocked, Boxer can do even more damage to you on the recovery? (I believe the counter damage still counts as he’s recovering? maybe I’m wrong)

What about Ken’s knee bash throw loop, or Honda’s knee bash throw loop? Where’s the nerf on those? Equally ‘abusable’ (though scrubs aren’t going to abuse a very good throw loop, except maybe online).

Dude. Like Axel said, why are you talking to us like we’ve never played the game. No offense but we’re probably even more aware than you are that jab headbutt is counterable. It doesn’t make it any less stupid. And your solutions are pretty dumb - A) throwing more fireballs is just going to be predictable so he can block one, headbutt the other, block the next, headbutt the other, and he’s already half way to you. B) No Honda player is going to jab headbutt through a fireball that is close enough to dragon punch you. That’s just stupid. They’ll jump if they really think you’re gonna fireball at that range. Jab headbutt is not as easily countered as people think it is because they only play scrubs who are like WOW LOL IT NEGATES FIREBALLZ LETS USE IT ON EVERY FIREBALL!1! If you play an actually decent, patient Honda who fights against fireballs like you should (walk and block, don’t just evade every fireball predictably) then it’s an issue. Because as soon as you fear the fact that he may jab headbutt, YOU STOP THROWING FIREBALLS for a moment. Every moment you’re not throwing fireballs is a moment Honda gets closer. Honda is a character who absolutely rapes you when he gets in close. Like Axel said, that was a problem for him with elegant solutions and now he just has a free way to gain a character’s width distance. It’s not that it’s broken and unbeatable, it’s just a stupid change. P.S. Dude posting JAB HEADBATT JAB HADBATT DAVAD SORLOIN was a joke post. Satire, son.

Lets play some time, my friend… why do you sound so hateful??.. (xbox 360 gamer tag “Seoul Guy”)
Oh, and about Ken’s and hondas throw loops, they DID get nerfed, they are still there however just less useable/abusable, and no I am not treating people like they are stupid or anything but when you put stuff up like “JAB HEADBUTT, JAB HEADBUTT, DAVID SORLOIN” dissing one of the TOP Street Fighter players of all time then one has to think you don’t know very much…

HDR was balanced by TOP tournament players from around the globe. These players payed OUT OF THERE OWN POCKET to come down and help balance this game. Some top players include:

David Sirlin
John Choi
Afro Cole (Jason Cole)
Nuki (Japan)
"Wolfe Brothers"
Daigo Umerhara

There’s obviously more but when people pay out of there own pocket just to help rebalance a game for people like you to complain about then what the hells the point in even making a game for so called “fans” like you? In other words: Appreciate what these people have done for us as Street Fighter Players and even if the product is “bad” or “you don’t like this game because xxxx character got this” then just don’t play it and let the rest of us enjoy what we like.

[FrAnkDAdAnk]

Lets play some time, my friend… why do you sound so hateful??.. (xbox 360 gamer tag “Seoul Guy”)
Oh, and about Ken’s and hondas throw loops, they DID get nerfed, they are still there however, ugh just do some research and no I am not treating people like they are stupid or anything but when you put stuff up like “JAB HEADBUTT, JAB HEADBUTT, DAVID SORLOIN” one has to think you don’t know very much…

HDR was balanced by TOP tournament players from around the globe. Nuff said.

Dude, do you know what sarcasim is? That’s pretty much what that post was all about.

You’re takling about research? We’ve been following this game since it was out on BETA. I think what you need to do is do some research on the competitve fighting scene around Seattle and see just how long some of us have been playing (Example…you notice I’ve been on here since 2001). It’s great that you seem to be brainy smurf about HDR, but a majority of people know this stuff up here too. There’s no point in going around tooting your horn about it cause you’re just going to get a bunch of these , and a few “yeah we know that.”

Listen I understand that you want to find people to play against and get better (at least that’s what I’m assuming anyways), but the way you’re going about it right now. Is not a wise thing to do.

First things first, there is a thread already about HDR, and ST so if you want to find people to play against, go there instead of making a thread that says does anyone still play STREET FIGHTER 2 anymore. Cause technically no one play SF2:WW up here anymore, they’ve moved onto ST, or HDR.

Secondly stop posting like you’re on some know it all/elite status, because you just signed up to this forum, so all the hot air your breathing right now is just wasting everyones time.

Thirdly, this is the internet, you’re going to get people like my boy Elliot coming in saying some goofy shit. You have to learn to let that shit slide off you cause in the end you’re the one that’s going to have egg on their face. Notice that after the remarks you’re saying about Elliot’s post, Elliot has yet to come in here and reply to you?

Change your mindset, because in the end you’re hurting yourself at trying to find people to play against if you keep this up.

Also your dropping Cole’s name in that list…did you even know that he lives up here now and is very active in our scene? Do you think he has talked to us about the changes that they’ve made in HDR??? NOPE, because we already know them, so save the history lesson please. And pretty pretty please stop trying to sound so knowledgeable about the behind the scenes aspect of the game. Cause that doesn’t matter if you not winning.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

HDR was balanced by TOP tournament players from around the globe. Nuff said.

You still don’t get it do you? There is no need to go “around the globe” for reasons to critique HDR, you can get handled by some of the best here in Seattle. Comments like that just make you come across as hella noobish, which you probably aren’t. The best thing for you to do right now is to stop talking down to everyone and regurgitating shit we already know. We all have different opinions on the game, some of which are very strong. Quit fooling yourself, HDR was close to being an amazing game, but it has its glaring flaws. That is why there are many who have preferred it be left alone.

Not really trying to put you on blast. Come out to one of the gatherings so you can see how we get down on these streets.

[Axel_Kelly]

but when you put stuff up like “JAB HEADBUTT, JAB HEADBUTT, DAVID SORLOIN” dissing one of the TOP Street Fighter players of all time then one has to think you don’t know very much…

I’m seriously laughing really really hard right now

[System_1]

Why is everybody attacking me? I don’t mean to sound as if I am PRO or some thing and if I did then no I don’t mean to sound that way. And yes I did drop Cole’s name, I don’t know if that was a crime but was trying to ACKNOWLEDGE the man who helped HDR come into existence. And yes I know he is in Seattle I have talked to him before and he is a good person. Forgive me as I was just wondering in the first place why SF2 is not played so much so more and simply wanted replies not a “EVERYONE VS SEUOL GUY, F#@K SEOUL GUY, I WANT TO KILL SEOUL GUY THREAD”.

[tepid]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=130355&page=92

92 pages to catch up on, friend.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=39777&page=363

My humble suggestion…introduce yourself there, go to a few sessions and meet people. I think people take issue with the tone of authority you exhibit in your posts. I’m not dogging you, just saying what I see.

[Axel_Kelly]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=130355&page=92

92 pages to catch up on, friend.

+20 more http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=168707&page=20

Seoul, we’re not attacking you. It’s just the way you are posting seems very condescending towards the rest of us. Dropping names of top players that worked on HDR isn’t going to convince people to play it.

Come to Zach’s sometime, we’ve actually had an HDR tournament the past two times.

[Mechanica]

Lets play some time, my friend… why do you sound so hateful??.. (xbox 360 gamer tag “Seoul Guy”

Sure. Add me. I sound hateful because I hate the game. Fancy that. :razz:

Appreciate what these people have done for us as Street Fighter Players and even if the product is “bad” or "you don’t like this game …

Okay, so I should appreciate that a game I love, classic ST, is now dead. I should appreciate that it has permanently been replaced with a game I find to be bad? I appreciate the idea, that’s the best I can do. A for effort.

I really can’t believe you’d put Sirlin in a list with players like Daigo and Choi though. Not that he’s a bad player, but I think your opinion of him is overblown.

Why is everybody attacking me? Forgive me as I was just wondering in the first place why SF2 is not played so much so more and simply wanted replies not a “EVERYONE VS SEUOL GUY, F#@K SEOUL GUY, I WANT TO KILL SEOUL GUY THREAD”.

What are you on about? You asked for replies, and we gave them to you. None of us were attacking you, we attacked the game if anything. You asked for replies and then get butthurt at the replies? Sorry, but that’s your problem. We’re simply not attacking you, and I’m sorry you see it that way. No hard feelings or anything, but you wondered why people aren’t into it, and… we told you.

[ICD-3]

I’ll do it. Fuck this thread. Fuck SeoulGuySRK. And finally, FUCK hdr. There.

[y2kenjination]

I’ll do it. Fuck this thread. Fuck SeoulGuySRK. And finally, FUCK hdr. There.

Couldn’t have said it any better. Oh, and fuck Udon’s ugly HDR art.

[DrDoomKills]

^^^ lol ^^^^

[Messatsu_Orochi]

trace is my hero for the rest of the day