It makes you need to be more patient/careful. They can’t be too reckless if RC moves, cause they’ll be predictable and you can counter. Much like if you can RC, you can’t just spam RC moves to win. There are ways around RC, you’ll just have to find them. On the token that it’s simlar to having free supers, you’ll play careful when the guy as full meter. so you’ll just need to extend that with RC moves. Ie, if you can’t airblock/jd/parry, you don’t randomly jump into blanka with charge and/or meter. Invincibility frames doesn’t make all special moves free of weaknesses.
Maybe I misled people with the wording makes you a better player. It’s more like it FORCES you to step up your game and be a better player.
are you sure it wasn’t because the roll was animated, so they moved forward by the roll instead? cause if you delay the last punch by a split second after the roll, you will move forward a couple of pixels.
Sakura dive kicks don’t do a thing against Honda. To be honest, I pretty much feel you’re wasting your energy even doing that move at all in this match. You’d be better off just jumping back and hoping to come down with a jump HK if that’s the case. Like I’ve said already, no good Hondas EVER headbutt to try and get in. They’re smart and wait for you to try and attack them instead, then they use the headbutt to counter you. If they wanted to close the gap, they roll instead. The Hondas I’ve fought against don’t even whiff the hands for you to easily punish them as well. Pretty much the only time they ever do moves at all is when you try to attack them and you’re in their range. Other than that it’s spam the meter building MK’s all day.
As for a serious question, what’s the deal when Honda is waking up? Is it even worth trying to go on the offensive against him? I know you can block and punish when he wakes up with the d, u+LK move. I wanted to make Honda lose his headbutt charge once and rolled to the other side as he was getting up. The pig mashed out an RC 360 on me and grabbed me right out of low short.
I think the trick to beating him is to be persistent. He may reversal you out of a meaty attack once, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to do it every time. Make every knockdown you get count and keep challenging him every time.
Oh, Sagat jump up and down with HK is pretty good against Honda in general. Randomly rolling in every now and then works too. The most important thing is to always expect Honda to jump in with his high priority j.HK at anytime and always dp it. Can’t be missing opportunities like that. Just give up if you do, as Honda almost never gives you any other openings as juicy as that.
Don’t panic when Honda knocks you down in the corner. The RC grab may be cheap, but he’s going to guess with d.LK/s.LP, pork chop sooner or later. That’s good because if you blocked it, Honda’s pushed himself out, and your goal now should be to make him blocked on of your normals so you can work yourself out of the corner. If you feel the RC 360 is coming, screw it, just guess and go for the throw. Really not much you can do in a 50/50 guessing situation other than just take a 50/50 guess yourself. Don’t try to jump out that’s all I know (since that’s what Honda wants you to go for so he can chop you.).
hmm, i didn’t think about that. i haven’t really looked those blanka vids in much detail yet since i haven’t found the time to practice that trick. if anyone can confirm if it’s possible to walk a little before rc elec comes out. that’d be nice.
You know, it also depends highly on the Hondas that we play. I was using Guile today and I was able to see RC Hands and roll past it to punish. This is with Guile’s slow roll…i think this is the part where people would say “you’re just playing unskilled Hondas” but the fact is, if at anytime Honda gets predictable with the RC Hands…it’s not that dominating…
Come on man, the dive kicks are for meter. Like you said, a lot of Hondas wait for you to attack. Don’t attack with the dive kick! Use it to build meter so that whenever he tries to get near you due to impatience or something, you can anti-air CC for “poor” damage. I get around 5k+ when doing it; “good” players can get 6k…Honda needs to guess right about 4-5 times in order to make up for this “poor” damage. Granted, the guessing game is in his favor, but Sakura should not be getting cornered…
I’m not sure if being persistent on Honda’s wakeup will do much…by persistent, do you mean hoping he’ll not do his d,u+kick move? Do the Hondas you play always use this or something…?
Another possible difference in the Hondas we play is style. I fight aggressive Hondas mostly. I used to play a passive Honda myself, but that was a long time ago…anyway, if they’re being passive, then mix up jump-back dive kick and jump-back RH…add an air hurricane kick if you wanna risk it haha…sakura can use her meter in a more versatile manner than Honda…
I used to hate RC’s but now I just accept it as something that I will have to get used too. Its funny when people complain about players who use RC a lot. How many of you have played against people who don’t RC at all and rape you? That shit to me is more frustrating, getting beat with 2 buttons and no combos damn Bmore Chun…
Btw Kcxj do u RC funky kick, cuz i still can’t get past that shit.
Well, against an RC player, the pressure is on me once the match starts. There are certain things people can do to shut you out more than if they didn’t have RC, eg Ken RC Funky Kicking all the way VS your K Gief. The fact that i may have to use the best footsies or jump in JD to even attempt to ‘try’ to get in, and that may make me seem like I have to step up to become a better player,when all i’m doing is that I’m trying for my life just to get in within a smaller window when I had a…door…
Where i used to Trade with Funky kicks, now I whiff and get hit. Well, it used to be that if people had level 3s, i should be more careful , but the fact is i jump in anyway hoping they’d bust it out, then I can continue pressuring them i.e. it doesn’t matter to me… but now, with ‘free invincible moves’ it’s not level3s anymore, it’s just any RCed moves that I have to contend with. once the match starts.
Logically, it doesn’t make me a better player, it just limits my choices for rushdown. I already try to JD everything already anyway, so RC didn’t make me improve my JD.
Hey noodleman, if RC made you a better player, for whatever reason you have, props to you, but I’ve never seen anyone become a better player because of facing RC, they just became more careful, less aggresive, more turtular. Well, a lot of people certainly became better players because of using RC thats for sure…suddenly within weeks, their gameplay improved because suddenly our moves didn’t trade anymore…
You can hit me back whenever I whiff that kick. I noticed, you love that Sagat d.MK xx super whenever I’ve played with you. Start doing far s.HP xx high tiger super as well. If I throw a RC fireball at the range where you can punish me if I had threw an RC kick, you can jump over or roll through that on reaction too.
Try far s.MK with Rolento to punish my whiff. Again, roll through if you see the fireball.
Outside of RC kick, Ken doesn’t really have anything safe to keep Sagat or Rolento off him. Ken d.MP is countered too heavily by Sagat’s crouching fierce, d.MK is punished by either Sagat or Rolento’s d.MK, and none of Ken’s roundhouses are safe against rolls or jumps. Seems like all he really has is that RC kick to keep people off him. Stay out of the range and always punish when you see it. Ken will stop playing all crazy like that quick. React to RC fireballs as well and don’t get hit by a random super jump cross-up MK.
Bmore knows all the counter buttons to press when he sees other people pressing their buttons (RC attacks or not). No big deal losing to him. Don’t ever let him jump at you at all, that’s the most important thing. (he loves getting close to work that guard meter if you ever let him)
I still hate RC and I think it would be a way better game without the RC spammage. I still like the game in general so I’ve just learned to live with it and use rc selectively mahself!
I understand how RC works, and I can do it myself, I just choose not to. For this reason I dont bitch about it too much…until last night.
I had fought people who did RC’s every once in a while, and it didn’t bother me. Punishing me for bad jump-ins is perfectly acceptable and I became better for it. However, the guy I played did not use a single normal with his first two characters (Honda and Ken on C groove). He sat there doing nothing by RC hands, RC headbutt, RC funky kick, RC swoosh kick (ken’s overhead), and pretty much anything else those two can do that’s worth RC’ing.
I wouldnt have felt so bad if he was truly better than me, but he sure as hell wasnt. His ratio 2 was Dhalsim, who as far as I know has no worthwhile RC’s. I absolutely destroyed his Dhalsim with a ratio 1 character (Iori). I took only 3 hits from him that entire match, and half of the damage was from throwing. The bastard couldnt win without RC’s.
What I hate about RC’s is that it devolves the game quite a bit. Against his Honda and Ken, my only real choices were to chicken block and sweep, with an occasional attempt to beat him out with a super. Trying to pull off even the most simple combos were pointless because he’d just RC.
It was my first time fighting that massive spamming of RC, so it’s partially ignorance. After thinking, I have a much better idea of how to fight it. I still wont use RC’s though, even if it means I have to lose every match I play.
I feel like a better player because of RCs. I used to be K-only, not having any competitive chance in other grooves. It got to the point where I was good enough with K to compete against Choi, Buk, etc. Then Buk started to RC, making his Japanese N-Groove even better. Choi decides then to RC Ken’s funky kick on my ass all day. On top of that, the whole A-Sak bullshit starts. So I played around with C,A,N. Frustrated by getting my ass beat no matter what I did, I learned how to RC. It took a day to get it right, and about a week to get up to 70%. After a month, I’m pretty much a RC whore. After getting slapped by Ohayo a couple times, I went back to K. I learned how to play against A-Sak, RC Ken/Honda/Blanka/etc., and I got better with other grooves as well. Learning how to RC and play with other grooves helps you know how to play against them. I was against playing top tier teams before, but now they’re fun to use. I learned Blanka/Sagat for fun, and it helps when I play against them now. The moral of my story: RC will give you the opportunity to improve. Either learn it, learn how to deal with it, or stop playing. There’s nothing wrong with RCing, it’s a part of the game now. You should be psyched to face a RC whore. Step up your game and find the holes in their game.
The timeline above might be wrong, that’s just how things happened to me
kcxj, stop bitching about honda so much and just beat his ass… seriously, if you’re having that many problems vs. him just runaway and build meter as much as you can. stay outside of his rc hands range, jump around if he gets impatient. When you get knocked down, just know that all his mixups are 50/50 so you’ll get away eventually.
It builds horrible habbits unless you can RC 100% accuracy. Then again, if you’re level of play is already really high, and then you use rc, its not building bad habbits… you should be able to contend with people without rc, before using rc against them.
