Yes you would be correct noodleman, i shall rephrase…Look at RC as if it’s a Level 3 Super move with less damage, but ‘airblockable’ if it doesn’t hit with it’s character on the ground ( Hurricane Kick etc) or it’s an RC Fireball.
Good for C-Groove then. Bully for APSNK.
sorry to correct you again Rokiseph…but P and K sorta does not apply, since they can parry/jd their way out…but this applies to just about any lvl3 super/rc’d move…so its’ sorta unfair 
and RC honda doesn’t run things anymore…since if they try to spam RC headbutts, you can jump back to punish.
It’s true that RC changed the game alot, making people learn to be more careful about when they should jump, how to get out of certain situations, etc, but i think it’s made everyone a better player for it.
Bas says Honda beats Sakura.
P and K applies cos the can JD and Parry Supers too…we are looking for similarities between RC and Level 3s remember 
It didn’t make me a better player for it, it made me attack less. Players who RC Rcabusable moves can afford to be a bit more reckless with it, but I have to be more careful, thus sacrificing my options. It doesn’t really make me better, it makes me paranoid when the next player comes and he doesn’t RC but I still get that phobia of ‘invincible move’. Sure I can ‘test him out’ and see if he RCs, but that wastes an initial amount of time i had to play a proper match.
RC Honda DOES run things, just not 2 years ago RC Honda. RC Slaps, RC Grab Mixup, and RC Headbutts are HELLA hard to get around unless you use like Hibiki or something.
I say Sakura beats Honda.
i say you have no idea what you’re talking about. what will sakura honestly do? cross him up? honda presses standing fierce and slaps her out of the sky on her way up. poke with standing rh? yay, you got hit with a RC headbutt/hands. RC’ing back with fireball and hurricane kicks will make you lose also. and sakura’s shitty vitality/stun doesn’t help either against tank honda.
christian (skisonic)- i am on crack, it’s called cvs2. someday i’ll get off of it, not very soon though=)
does anyone else counter honda, other than hibiki and vega(who, as popoblo has said, have a hard time dishing out the damage)?
K and P grooves give Honda a bit more of a hard time, even though he still has rc grab to work with.
what can honda do? he tries to RC headbutt, sakura jumps back with j. RH. If honda gets predictable with RC hands, sakura can roll through or just wait and punish with one of her many RCs. honda can’t jump at her, but i guess he doesn’t need to jump against anybody. sakura is great with crossups, but she doesn’t NEED them the way other characters do.
so both of them can basically do…nothing? who bulids meter faster? Sakura, but maybe that’s arguable. Who can abuse meter more? Sakura. In terms of a very boring game (i.e., this weird theory fighter that i wasn’t really trying to underscore in the first place), Sakura would be able to win by chipping.
The reason I posted that comment…was cuz Majestros posted what Bas’s opinion was. I just posted mine. Interesting to see the replies, that’s for sure…it’s just opinions…
You can’t roll through RC hands. Hope Honda misjudges his distance (or is an RC whore), whiffs the RC hands, then Sakura far s.HK/sweep in his recovery is more like it. I didn’t know jump back HK was an all purpose reaction counter to headbutt as well. What if somebody good is playing Honda and doesn’t headbutt until you try and attack him (the way Honda should be using the headbutt) instead?
Sakura beats Honda the way Chun-li beats Honda. As in they both don’t. They get counter hit to the gut when they try any kind of crouching short/crouching jab rushdown pattern. I don’t mean OMG!!! Ryu Rushdown!!, run forward and press whatever buttons you want in N-groove by the way either. I mean just something like crouching jab, walk forward crouching jab again, look for counter hit to link far s.MP xx death. Even a tactic that’s generally safe and effective like that, Honda escapes by putting his fat butt into the air with those invincible charge moves of his.
If any Sakura beats Honda, it’s C-Sakura, since chicken blocking gives her something to reliably punish headbutts on reaction with. The best A-Sak can do is CC, anti-air custom (which does poor damage) on reaction when Honda headbutts.
You tell me how to attack Honda with Sakura (and not get dizzied by eating a million pork chop attacks… which do as much damage as a Sagat fierce EACH), and then I’ll gladly rethink your opinion.
Also, no disrespect intended by the way (and also sorry to all the fanboys who were asking for this bum’s autograph), but BAS sucks for deciding to Mago that shit with the Honda cheese in the first place. 
Guile beats Honda. Thats who I use to stop his foolishness anyway.
Haha maybe I’ll pick up Honda. That character is complete bullshit anyway.
you know everytime i read stuff like this, it makes me wonder why i play this game. it makes me feel like this game is complete shit everytime i read this stuff.
then when i play it i get addicted. anyone else feel this way?
(Raise his hand)
That’s the only reason that makes me glad not to be playing at the arcades. RCs suck!
They also have a habit of making a lot of the matches boring to watch. I watch a fair few of the videos posted up. A few people go nuts about how good some of the Japanese matches are. Personally I think the are boring.I’m not denying that these players are amazing, they are. How much variety do you really get to see in a A-Honda Vs A-Sakura match? Compare these matches to say N-groove shotos with thier mad pace and reaction combos. No doubt that someone is gonna say that hardcore CvS2 isn’t about flash such as pulling off uber combos but all the same RCs ruin a lot of videos in my opinion. RCs definatly get a :tdown: from me. :lame:
jump back dive kick own’s honda rc headbutts for free. let me clarify before i get any flames. If someone does a headbutt to get close to you (ie, fp headbutt from mid/full screen), you can just jump back and hit him out of it.
as for rc hands, if someone wanted to do point black rc hands to link cr.fp, you should be able to roll through it. This is assuming you’re knocked down. Much like countering hop super with blanka, you need to hit honda out of his dash before he lands to rc hands.
You’ll just have to turtle against honda. The real brokeness is RC Blanka in a-groove. From the jap vids, they run shit with rc electricity tricks. the fact that they can RC electricity by whiffing a cr.lk is crazy.
Out of all you people complaining about how broken RC Honda is… how many of you have actually PLAYED against one? Not Honda 2002 that just did RC headbutts all day, but one that does RC Hands pressure and RC grab mix ups?
i’d like to correct this last statement.
they can whiff c.lk, walk very short distance, then RC elec. :lame: