Anyone have a tier listing for DOA4?
Ninjas: Top Tier
Everyone else: Low Tier
DoA4: Shit Tier
Makes me wish I had a 360 so I could finally show people up with my fav character Helena. I loved using her in 2 and 3 but she’s pretty terrible in both games. Got a little bit better in DOA3.1 but was still clearly low/low mid. Looks like they upgraded her a ton in 4.
LOL at Brad Wong still being terrible. He was practically my 2nd favorite (along with Kasumi) but was also shit terrible in 3. At least in 3 he was victim of too many moves with disadvantage on block and generally just not having very good pokes. He was all risky mix ups and his juggles weren’t that good either. Christie was another favorite of mine in 3 and looks like she’s a bit stronger as well. She was low mid in 3 IIRC.
It’s funny because I think Ayane actually wasn’t very good in DOA3. Or at least that’s what I’ve heard. Usually the ninjas are always good in every game though. She was rape tier in 2 I know that. This looks like Kasumi’s best game yet. She was pretty much just above average in 2 and 3. Having strong juggles in 4 looks like it’s helped her game a lot.
Oh and Elliot and Tengu are terrible. Just as they should be. :lol:
How did I know someone was going to bash the game within the first two posts?
Brad Wong’s just too slow,and low OH take out like 1/3 of his offense. . .being dead man slow take out nearly the rest. . .Minus any real big damage potential. … .
Actually Tom Brady early 07’ did say he found some strats for ayane that would put her top tier in3.1, but I don’t know if he ever posted them.(looking for it right now)Something to do with her 4F+P grab. … he found like a super combo with her no one knew. . .
God if I had offline comp. . . .
Does Tom still play? Last I saw of him was at Evo2k6 and during that time he seemed more busy coaching Perfect Legend who at the time and probably still is now the best DOA player in the US. Did he participate in the DirecTV championship?
I think he’s starting to play again.(cool cause I still got to play him for making play a game i have no reason to play. . . .)
He’s been doing some training to get back up to par/abovepar with Legend last time I heard about it. . …
How’s the online scene? People still playing? Is the connection online any better than it was in DOAU?
Yeah…it’s funny because DOA is actually the first 3d fighting game I got real competitive with. As in like going to tourneys for it and stuff. Lot of people find it real ironic obviously that my name is what it is and I dont even touch Tekken much anymore. Just none of my groupies play it and I dont get a chance to get out to the arcade to play it. I’m not buying a PS3 for it I can tell you that much.
It’s always been tough getting people to take DOA seriously especially back in the old days (like DC DOA2) where there was litearlly no real competitive scene for the game. Not to mention scenes for games like Tekken Tag were big and even on gamefaqs you’d regularly find people typing their fingers off about different tactics/teams etc. Tekken was that ish and if you talked about anything else (ESPECIALLY DOA) you would get every kind of flame that was shy of a TOS violation.
Things have changed a bit and the fact that the game is a next gen game has allowed it to be sponsored for big money in some tourneys. Problem is the game still doesn’t have the scene for the big money that’s thrown around its sponsored tourneys. Being able to make 10+gs off a game that doesn’t even really have a scene sounds fun but overall to me that’s just not as good as playing a game like 3S where I can always count on going to monthly tourneys for the game. Not to mention the game has had staying power in the US for going on 4 years now and in Japan for going on 10 years. Community is definitely most important to me. Money is nice but you still cant make a living off fighting games. Not even DOA. FPS’s…it’s possible if you’re really good.
Of course people are still playing. . .yeah speed’s are better. . .but for some reason it’s still the only game I have bad lag in. . .but usual it stays in a good range of good to decent to playable. . . .
I’d say if you did an online to offline ratio it’d be like 10 to 1. … no lie. . .
it seems that with capcom fighting game fans, that anything new that’s not featured at evo regularly is a terrible competitive game.
and with tekken fans, anything OTHER than tekken.
The first 3d fighting game I got big into was SC2. THAT game had a scene with fierce competition. Watching Mick’s X is entertaining up until this day.
What killed the scene was SC3 and now all a sudden this “SC SUCKS!!1” hiatus is going around. hell, IRCC, wasn’t t4 like…disliked? and T5 revived the scene with new fury.
I personally don’t like DOA4 but I’m not going to say it isn’t tournament worthy. Hell, a game being tourney worthy has little to do with it being fun IMO. i played doa2 (correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Jan stupid in that game?)online for a while. The comp was pretty feirce but the game just felt so limited to me. I haven’t given Doa4 a fair chance yet, but i might when I get my 360 this weekend.
DOA4 gameplay wise is probably the best game to date. As in it’s obvious that the developers made an effort to make the game appeal more to hardcore fighting gamers and did away with the easy mode counters and gave frame advantage/different block stuns to more moves. Not to mention the new high emphasis on okizeme ala VF/Tekken.
DOA2 was fun but playing DOAU made me realize how much improvement the series needed. It’s obvious that some characters dont have frame advantage on anything other than their jabs in that game. Like 80 percent of the strings in the game is throwable on block so there’s less incentive to create momentum with characters. It’s just look for the opponent to try and finish a block string…then throw or punish with attack.
Not to mention there was next to no real block stun on attacks. DOA was known for its many different hit stuns but block stuns were all very generic and there were no guard crushes. Meaning it was very obvious which moves are punishable on block. Some characters obviously had frame advantage on some moves that also had insane priority and near unstoppable. Jann Lee’s f+K and Ayane’s b+P come to mind. Very simple moves that do just about everything for them and other characters in the game dont have anything close. The only real counter for them is a well timed counter hold and those same moves can be used to force people to counter at the wrong time and then you throw them with your most powerful throw for huge damage.
Because it’s a horrible game?
fixed.
There was a doa3 thread a while ago.
DoA4 tiers if you go buy what PL and most players try to debate, changes like every 2-5 weeks.
Otherwise imo:
Ninjas
Gen Fu
Helena
Spartan
Lei Feng
Random mess of mid tier characters
Commandos
Brad Wong
edit
4th on that list should Ein, in opinion.Ein is one of the strongest players in the game, the problem is his counters are stronger than his hold, cuase most of em’ are 40 points. Also has mid-way short reach, but best used for kicks, punches are pretty good if you want to juggle with Hayabusa and/ or Hitomi Gen Fu is strange, why him second on the list?
Gen Fu is the ODB! He’s been good in like every game. High priority on everything, strong juggles, decent speed for such an old character. People just sleep on him cuz he’s an old fart in a game with pretty jugs. That shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s always been high mid/high tier in DOA.
Holy shit, it changed that drastically already?
Of course it has, I guess you weren’t aware that people tend to tier games arbitrarily.