^ yes, cyke fights the same way vs sentinel does that cable does, keep away & evading.
i see what your saying but give IM a little bit more respect than that. after all the shit ive been through with the character i can assure you a hit always shows up and even though when IM is alone his options decrease he still has that miracle touch that can still happen. A smart IM who has diversity in teams hes on and knows his matches and what hes capable of can prevent himself from getting hit and stall time to get his hit. IM is an extremely defensive character close range and his limbs are hard to beat out. so the scariest thing is when an iron man gets in close on you and picks you apart with light kicks and your assist get beaten out, and your afraid to swing cause he will most likely beat you out.
Umm… i think most people think that Sentinel is top of the gods, but i do think that storm backed up with sentinel [y] is the best character in marvel.
I was under the impression that most people believed the order to be Storm/Sent, rather than the other way around. I myself believe it goes Sent/Storm/Cable/Magneto, though I don’t think that the order is really all that important. I would put it as;
Big Four: Storm, Sent, Cable, Magneto
Top Tier: Dhalsim, IM, Doom, Cyke, Strider, Spiral
Those are not in any particular order, so don’t freak out about it.
Keep in mind, I said a “GAY” Sentinel. Cyke vs. Sent is a lot better than vs. Cable. But try fighting a sent who knows how to spam his range on normals and utilize a good assist to maximize range. Most Sentinels who lose to Cyke are the ones who try to get close to him. Next thing you know, Cyke lands a normal in mid air which sets him up for a perfect Kyo Hammer Fist >>> SFR jump in coming down into whatever. In short, Sentinel loses to cyclops the same way he’d lose to IM: When he shows him no respect. But provided both characters are about even in life and Sentinel just holds back, he’s a bitch to fight with Cyke. I’d give this one to Sent at about 6.5-3.5. I’d still say Cyke has a slightly better fight against a gay Sentinel than IM does.
And the Cyke vs. Cable match is arguably THE UGLIEST match out of the top 8 characters (up there with Sent vs. Doom). Sure, 98% of the cast loses cleanly to cable. That’s why Cable is up there. But how many of those in the top 8 lose as cleanly as cyclops? Storm? Magneto? Doom? Spiral? Strider? IM? Sentinel? The worst one out of all of those is probably Sentinel, but at least he has angles he can rely on. Cyke can’t even get close if Cable just hides behind nades all day.
once sent gets unfly, i dont see how cyke even has a chance
i just wish cyke wasn’t so damn average at everything
cyke fights sentinel like how cable fights sentinel, keep away/chip
it all depends on the the situation, IMO anything is doable, it’s just that somethings are harder than others, but if you stop to really think about it, theres an answer for every problem.
like 360 tried to tell yall…im’s limbs do not lose out. that is scary in a whole 'nuther dimension.
as far as placing him in place of doom on a doom team isn’t fair…thats like me saying storm/im/sent, put doom there and it would completely suk…that doesn’t mean he suk, he just dont belong. but i do think that im/sent/capcom (or any AAA u would prefer with doom) beats doom/sent/aaa…personal opinion i guess x_X
Playing keepaway/chip with cyke doesn’t work very well on the ground since spit fly unfly beats out most of what cyke does on the ground. Sent with mag proj or commando aa will also end up punishing you for it and very likely force you into the corner.
Cyke’s saving graces in this match are that his normals in the air set him up perfectly to follow up on the way down and that he’s one of the only 3 characters in the top 8 who can stop sentinel cold in his tracks anytime and make it worthwile if Sentinel tries punishing his assist (the other two being cable and strider). Optic sweep is also good in taking out mediocre sentinels who try to go with ghetto drone traps.
sure, there’s an answer for everything. but the characters with the most effective answers in a specific matchup will always have the advantage.
the bolded statement is the theory, and the after part is the reality.
i play marvel trying to make theory a reality…
i believe if you see sentinel do a c.hp, you normal jump up, call drones, and do an air optic .The optic blast knocks him out of fly mode before he can unfly block(sucks tho that he gets unfly for this) and the drones will make him block, after you recover from your optic blast in the air, look to see if he push blocked the drones, if so the a s.hp will GC him. Most likely he’ll throw another c.hp, but this time you see it comming with enough time to do a c.hp to cancel his laser, and do a lp gene splic + drones, and cancel the the gene splice to PP super for chip.
in reality this is all theory, but it’s better to discuss the possibilities so that way you can have answer for when situations come up. Of course there are match ups with advantages being one sided, but then agian why would you always want to have an easy match? Marvel is so great because of the big learning curve.
Cyke vs Cable is not that bad to me. It just sucks a bit if cable has drones cause they recover so fast and the only way cyke gets around them is superjump or normal jump + double jump which leaves cable in a good spot. Cable + BH + AAA is not too fun either but how often do you see cyke on point vs that team eh…
Anyway, the most important thing is being able to advance forward through cable’s clutter + assist spams without getting randomly hit. SOB is perfectly safe on cable if you use it while not on the same horizontal plane as cable. If you SOB on a different plane and he’s jump fiercing there’s really no way for him to avoid getting hit since the move is so laggy and anything he cancels to means he’s getting hit. Most of the times I use SOB on cable is from above, you can safely punish assists + smack cable from there fine. Really good damage if you peg him from above and trace the beam to the top of the screen. Throw in a hail DHC if she’s in the back and it’s real painful.
Cyke’s launch beats out cable’s j.rh for free if you manage to get under him and it’s not hard to set up since cable has no air mobility at all. Once he starts blocking on the way down you go for crossup low short into death or throw into assist into death. If he gets launched you infinite him into a dhc or reset, if you can’t then step your cyke game up. If you don’t have that infinite threat then you lose the fight, period.
Now cyke vs sent/aaa on the other hand… that shit sucks. It’s easily his worst fight out of the big 4 to me.
^truth, i think between Cable and Sentinel, either one can be a hard match, it all depends on how well you know to approach the fight, for me, i would have a harder time with cable then sentinel cause im not that great at rushing cable down with cyke as i am keeping sentinel away.
the problem with that scenario is that it’s VERY situational. jumping optic blast has enough lag for the other sentinel to just fly over to you and combo you on the lag right after canceling the c hp into a fly depending on when he cancels into fly. Best case scenario, you knock him down and bring him down with some damage. Worst case scenario, he takes have your life with a combo. On reaction, most good sentinels will either fly over or sumper jumpxx fly over to you for a combo. Jumping optic blasts aren’t really something I’d use against a flying sentinel because they aren’t exactly viper beams with that wide coverage and duration.
ask everyone who has ever changed their team the next game around for the sake of countering the other guy. When you compete, the idea is to win. Winning = $$$, self esteem, or getting laid depending on who you are.
imo,
spiral > strider > im > cyke > doom.
strider is a meter hog, dead weight when hes not on point and if anyone in his team dies, the whole team sorta just falls apart.
when i see combofiend fight strider teams with im, he dont fight them directly. he goes for that proton cannon dhc ftw.
I think cable/aaa is tougher for cyke
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your right, getting the advantage is important, but then remember that some people play to explore everything the game offers while going for the win.
IMO i think that cyke doesnt stand a chance against a great cable/aaa.
He couild hang wit sent but againt a great cable. NO DEAL. All the cyke players in memphis dont even hold up to magneto. Thats my maine character when i play. You can rush cyke down if you have the right assit. i use storms aaa and if i connect with a combo after that cyke is a rap cause once yo infinite is right you reset it and kill em.
thts my opinon on the situation.
cyke shouldnt be considered 5th god.
im is better than him
Like I said, it depends who you are. Next time you win a tourney, go up to a girl and say “Hey, I just won a marvel tourney, wanna fuck?” If you are the right kind of person, you’ll get laid.
this has gotten off topic…so i’ll try to end this discussion.
cyke vs cable sux cuz if cable has meter, anything cyke does can be punished just about. so cyke must kill cable before he gets 2 or 3 bars or he doesn’t win. point blank period.
cyke vs sentinel is cool…but a lot of the times you see cyke winning this matchup is when cyke has more life than sentinel and sentinel feels like he has to play more aggressive than cyke. the same way cyke’s air normals win out, if you play smart with sentinel, cyke has to be careful not to get ff’ed or frying pan. i’d say this matchup is even, if not still slanted sentinels way.
im and cyke both can do good against magneto because each have normals that can hurt magneto (aka win out and punish)…and magneto can rape both for obvious reasons if he gets his hit via air normal or assist.
the little god tier order i think is storm sent and cable/mag tied for 3rd
who’s fifth? no1 knows. but imo probably IM =)
btw., another side note on cyke…a lot of the reason why cyke is good also and HELPS win a lot of matches is because cyke doesn’t need a clean hit…he can jump around build meter until he just hits you with random optic beam or some shid then dhc ftw…not just because cyke is beastly and will outbeast the whole squad. cyke is solid for that reason imo. i still feel what i said in the above is correct though =)
u right. marvel will get you liad…just gotta kno how to spit that game