Wing Chun discards what is considered detrimental and hazardous to the practitioner like for example certain spinning kicks and so on. If it is practical, then it should be used, no matter what it is. Fuck “styles”. Kneeing, clawing, breaking limbs, crushing testicles, skullbashing, locking limbs. Throat, clavicle, and eye-gouging. Say fuck off to what is impractical.
Wing Chun is not a sport. It is not suitable in the MMA. It is about street fighting. Up close, getting it done quickly and mercilessly. You stating that it is something that’s great only in a phone booth, is a clear sign of someone who doesn’t know much about it.
Here is a good representation of what it is about. (Starts at around 3 mins)
If you study jun fan jkd you’ll go through the 3 significant periods of Bruce Lee’s creation of JKD, Oakland, Seattle, L.A (L.A being the last). As he refined the art, more and more of the traditional wing chun techniques were abandoned, his focus was on boxing and fencing-with the feet. Things such as trapping were prevalent in the Oakland years but during L.A period you’ll see very little of it. So no, he didn’t add to it, his motto was about daily decrease
His best friend Jesse Glover was a judo practitioner, he did think highly of the art. Had he not died I would bet Bruce would’ve tried to master some grappling arts too (although the purest wouldn’t like to think so).
Most wrestlers cross train doesn’t mean anything when your getting fucked up on the street. Let’s see how tight your grip is when your eyes and balls are getting ripped up Styles mean nothing when there aren’t any rules so stop making it a striking vs grappling debate Mr Ronda Rousey
have you ever watched wrestlers in street fights? lmfao…no one knows how to defend a takedown. ive watched too many vids of niggas gettin suplexed in the streets.
He’s saying wrestling is the greatest art, I told him all arts are great for a given situation. You support him even though iv said wrestling is underrated by martial artists, so given my neutrality to wrestling and you supporting his bias that means wrestling IS best in your opinion? We’ve all seen people getting wrestled to the ground but we’ve also seen people being decked and stomped out. Where are YOU going with this?
Agree with your TKD analysis but Wado Ryu is pretty much the top karate you have. Mid combative stance, focus on lateral movement and position instead of hard blocks, attacks come from proper core torsion. I dunno about chi discussions lol I trained the style for 10 years and thats a first. You might have had a mickey mouse school. I also did some Goju and Kyokushin and honestly, doesnt measure up.
But far above any style comparrisons, you gotta have a good teacher. That and you gotta really wanna learn whats on other. If you dont have that you dont have shit, I was after kumite so I had a lotta fun.
Who the fuck was talking about untrained people I’m talking about two competent fighters. I think wrestling can easily eat up amateur fighters, seven an amateur wrestler vs an amateur striker but when the striker knows what the fuck they’re doing they’ll hold down that tackle while kneeing your face then repeatedly boot and stomp the fuck out of your head. Fuck off with that bull shit
I do love wrestling though, but don’t delude yourself
This argument is so old, it was recorded back during the first time pankration was in the olympics.
Just a fun fact.
The one thing I’ve found is, and this is about the most un-original thought I’ve ever had, everyone is different and needs to adapt to their size and their opponent. The stories from back then, the stuff of literal larger than life Legends, shows a wide array of different techniques adapted to each individuals strengths and their opponents weaknesses.
BJJ has a self correcting mechanism, just like the scientific method.
To advance in BJJ, one must compete in tournaments.
This is true for probably 99+% of instructors that claim to teach BJJ because the hacks who don’t follow it will get called out because their students will fail and start paying someone better.
It’s not a complete method for self defense, but it’s a proven safe and efficient method for weeding out bad techniques and bad instructors.
I would argue most TKD, Wing Chun, and Karate schools in the US are not anywhere near that level of self correction. The students have to receive the lesson from outside of the school because full resistance sparring and tournament requirements are not required.
The point of grappling is to cross train and develop counters for counters. Defending the double and single. Fighting in the clinch. Learning trips, hip tosses, body locks, snap downs, combining that with top control/pressure and always being in and advantageous position.
Damian Maia, Jacare, Matt Hughes, frank mir, gsp, khabib, ferguson, werdum
The best figure out how to combine and where to do what.
No matter how ugly maia’s entries are he gets everybody down and keeps them there. He trains with olympic judoka and wrestlers. He gave up kickboxing as a main attack and just focused on his grappling. It has made him a better fighter.
Look at brock/hunt. Completely negated the stand up and used his wrestling to effectively take him down and control him. And his bjj/catch to keep that pressure and go for subs here and there.
Roids be damned it was a beautifully executed fight plan
You pretty hit the nail on the head. In my Wing Chun school, there were plenty whose fight IQ were shit because of the reasons you listed; but for some reasons there were also a few who were legit. Funny story, one Wing Chun guy from another school came into our school to cause trouble. Unaware, I started talking to the guy on friendly manners. And so, he started talking a lot of shit saying that in a fight “I can just chain punch in the face” and I was like “and I won’t move?” Long story short, he keeps talking shit and I’m like “realistically, there are ways around” and he doesn’t believe and he starts chain punching and I just bump him a little bit, kind of a slowed up double leg, and he ends on the floor. It wasn’t a big deal, except his body made a loud BLOP when he hit the floor. Everyone looked at me like O__O;;;
If your style is non-competitive, you are not going to compete in tournaments, and thus competition will have no bearing on your grading requirement.
Sparring is a different matter. I still had to go 3x2 minute rounds for my TKD black belts, both for ITF and WTF, but sure, if you train at a belt factory, they won’t push you.
Even in my Muay Thai gradings we didn’t go full competition level of contact, but we went hard.
You’re not trying to break people in a grading, you’re trying to push them to collapse.
Styles mean nothing when there aren’t any rules so stop making it a striking vs grappling debate Mr Ronda Rousey
I’m talking about two competent fighters. I think wrestling can easily eat up amateur fighters, seven an amateur wrestler vs an amateur striker but when the striker knows what the fuck they’re doing they’ll hold down that tackle while kneeing your face then repeatedly boot and stomp the fuck out of your head. Fuck off with that bull shit